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who said this?
"The US is a great place to invent and develop things, but it is not a good place to get a bike made. Sad, but true.If we had gone to the next step to keep manufacturing in the US, which is do it ourselves, then all our energy would be spent on who didn't show up for work that day or what machine is down.

"Taiwan bike manufacturing is world class, there are very well equipped factories that do just that, make bikes start to finish. There are no factories like that here because there is better work to be had in aerospace, auto and military jobs. Trying to make bikes in the US is also a total piecemeal approach – one company to make the parts, another to weld, another to heat-treat and so on. To do it here your expertise needs to be logistics, not damping rates or frame geometry."


Posted by Mongoose a 67 year old riding a Bullit from Hwy 2 on 07/18/07

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  • Re: who said this?
    Whoever said it needs to pull their head out of their a$$

    Landshark Bicycles

    need I say more...?
    Posted by Dirtshark99 a 45 year old Cross-Country Rider on 07/18/07

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  • Re: who said this?
    Zapata Espinosa!

    Do I win a free Hite Rite if my guess was correct?

    Posted by Dr Wellington Yueh on 07/18/07

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  • Re: who said this?
    Actually, I did find the correct answer. All you have to do is Google the phrase "not damping rates or frame geometry" and you, too, can read the sordid tale of a fine custom builder lured by filthy lucre over to the Dark Side of mass manufacture.


    Posted by Dr Wellington Yueh on 07/19/07

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    • Re: who said this?
      actually Paul Turner said that. The guy who founded Rock Shox. As a owner of a Santa Cruz and Intense,
      Rob Roskoff may be headed that way but for now Jeff Steber still makes it all here.



      http://www.bikebiz.co.uk/news/21942/Maverick-boss-bikes-made-in-Taiwan-are-better-than-US-made-bikes
      Posted by Mongoose a 67 year old riding a Bullit from Hwy 2 on 07/19/07

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      • Re: who said this?
        Uh.....Rob Roskopp maybe? Thanks yet again for more useless info and nonsensical babble.
        Posted by GRide on 07/23/07

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        • Re: who said this?

          Posted by Chainsaw a Die-hard Enthusiast riding a Red, White and Blue or Black one from S&M/Bentwood on 07/23/07

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          • Re: who said this?
            thanks





            Posted by Mongoose a 67 year old riding a Bullit from Hwy 2 on 07/23/07

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            • Re: who said this?

              I remember (very fondly) when this site was all the rage, had hundreds of posters with thousand of posts each day, and was about mountainbiking (mostly)....now it has sunk into the proverbial gutter.....how did it get so high, to only sink so fast?

              .....................


              Posted by GhostRider a 31 year old Downhiller on 07/24/07

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              • Re: who said this?
                Deet?
                Posted by Xcbug a 43 year old Cross-Country Rider riding a SuperLite from Carlsbad on 07/24/07

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              • Re: who said this?
                this site is like TOWER RECORDS on Sunset.......was hot, busy, cool, the best damn record store in So Cal. Now dead....
                People dont ride much anymore, its like a romance, when its all fresh, new and exciting....Then you marry and it fizzles out but he/she is still there but its no longer exciting. Those who used to be on this site are the husbands/wives who no longer find mountain biking exciting. You can blame less time, the site sucks, people having kids, etc. But it all boils down to the
                "thrill is gone" as BB King says. People will come around again maybe...but then again Members Only jackets will too.
                Posted by Mongoose a 67 year old riding a Bullit from Hwy 2 on 07/26/07

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                • Re: who said this?
                  You assume the rest of the world is as pathetic as you seem to be. More people are riding than ever, and they still post - just not here.
                  BTW: this site doesn't intrinsically suck; but a select few pathetic a-holes seem to enjoy making it suck.

                  Please go ride or whatever and STFU!


                  Posted by FFW a 48 year old Die-hard Enthusiast riding a thrill from Palmdale on 07/26/07

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                  • Re: who said this?
                    /agree

                    There are other sites most of us actually post mountain biking info/pics/whatever. Thank God for that..

                    Bottom line is, this place was hi-jacked a while back and most of the people that had posted regularly got tired of seeing the same B.S. from the same people. I admit, I like to play around here every so often, but there is a fine line between having fun and being a complete idiot.....Goosey...
                    Posted by Crzyridr33 a 35 year old Die-hard Enthusiast riding a very light bike on 07/26/07

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                    • Re: who said this?
                      We need to bring Old Heckler back.
                      Posted by Old gringo a 54 year old Cross-Country Rider riding a Ellsworth Isis from Chatsworth on 07/26/07

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                    • Re: who said this?
                      Reply to Gringo
                      Gack! I just threw up a little . . . . But, thanks for the memory just the same ;-) The good old days . . . it *reversed-to gone-to-all-of-us* or, was that Alberto Gonzales? "Send lawyers guns and money, to get me out of this." Who said that?
                      Posted by Chainsaw a Die-hard Enthusiast riding a Red, White and Blue or Black one from S&M/Bentwood on 07/26/07

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                    • Re: who said this?
                      why dont you stop coming here
                      Posted by Mongoose a 67 year old riding a Bullit from Hwy 2 on 07/26/07

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                    • Re: who said this?
                      Reply to Gus -

                      "Send lawyers guns and money, to get me out of this." Who said that?
                      Posted by Chainsaw a Die-hard Enthusiast riding a Red, White and Blue or Black one from S&M/Bentwood on 07/26/07
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                      Softballs....c'mon..............Warren Zevon, who else?!





                      Posted by GhostRider a 31 year old Downhiller on 07/27/07

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                  • Re: who said this?
                    you have proof of this fact FFW or are you just assuming that more ppl are riding than ever. ever go to the retail bicycle sales sites and notice the dropped in mountain bike sales as opposed to 10 years ago. there has been a steady decline of mountain sales (hardtails, lower end f/s bikes under $1000)...I'd do some research before blowing yer hot air outta yer butt
                    Posted by Mongoose a 67 year old riding a Bullit from Hwy 2 on 07/26/07

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                    • Re: who said this?
                      Where do you come up with this stuff? Steady decline? Where do you get your info? Bicycle sales for 2006 were higher than they were 10 years ago, and mountain bikes continue to be the largest portion of the bicycle market. Everything you post is a drunken delusional fabrication that you pull straight out of your @$$, seemingly so you sound smart or insightful, neither of which is remotely true. You posted your comparison of this site to marriage. On what basis did you come up with that? Did you personally interview all of the old regulars here? What right do you even have to compare anything to marriage, when you've never even had sex that you didn't have to pay for?

                      Click the link below if you want actual industry data instead of just making stuff up. Tool.
                      Posted by GRide on 07/27/07

                      http://nbda.com/page.cfm?pageID=34

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                    • Re: who said this?
                      you posted a site which
                      listed as below 2006 mtn sales as 28.5 opposed to 2004's 32.0
                      I think 32.0 is higher than 28.5



                      Category 2004 Unit % 2005 Unit % 2006 Unit %
                      Mountain 32.9 28.8 28.5
                      Comfort 15.5 14.2 14.0
                      Hybrid/Cross 12.5 13.9 15.0
                      Cruiser 3.9 5.5 6.0
                      Road/700C 10.8 16.4 17.0
                      Youth 24.0 18.8 16.5
                      Other .2 2.4 3.0

                      Posted by Mongoose a 67 year old riding a Bullit from Hwy 2 on 07/29/07

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                    • Re: who said this?
                      Specialty Bicycle Sales By Year, Units, 2004-2006



                      Category 2004 Unit % 2005 Unit % 2006 Unit %
                      Mountain 32.9 28.8 28.5

                      G ride you oughta do some homework before you blast people, kinda
                      reminds ppl of how racism began.

                      Posted by Mongoose a 67 year old riding a Bullit from Hwy 2 on 07/30/07

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                    • Re: who said this?
                      You really are an idiot. If you read closer, those numbers are unit percentages, not dollars or number of units. Also, those numbers are only for the last 3 years. Your comment was how there are less mountain bike sales now than 10 years ago, and how there has been a steady decline since. Wrong. The only number that is declining by any significant amount is non-suspension MTBs. Everything else is, for the most part, flat, except for full-suspension bikes, which actually increased in 2006.

                      This is market share by percentage of total dollars for 2004-2006:

                      Mountain Front Susp. 26.56 26.24 25.61
                      Comfort 18.03 14.44 11.7
                      Road/700C 16.4 20.79 28.32
                      Hybrid/Cross 9.89 12.87 10.95
                      Mountain Full Susp. 9.67 8.87 9.57
                      Freestyle 5.56 4.42 3.78
                      Mountain No Susp. 3.12 1.64 0.41
                      Youth 20" 2.6 2.41 2.24
                      Youth 24" 2.51 2.75 2.23
                      BMX 1.98 1.38 0.97
                      Youth 19" and below 1.76 1.72 1.36
                      Cruiser 1.57 1.9 2.38


                      This is annual sales for all bicycle types in millions of units:

                      2006 18.2
                      2005 19.8
                      2004 18.3
                      2003 18.5
                      2002 19.5
                      2001 16.7
                      2000 20.9
                      1999 17.5
                      1998 15.8
                      1997 15.2
                      1996 15.4

                      At best, the bicycle market, including MTBs, has been up and down over the last 10 years. My only point is that here is some easily found data on the subject. You throw all kinds of lame comments and comparisons out there with no data and no source. If there is evidence of this steady decline, let's see your proof. Back up your comments or crawl back in your hole.
                      Posted by GRide on 07/30/07

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                    • Re: who said this?
                      Also, please explain to all of us how racism began, and how my post reminds people of this.
                      Posted by GRide on 07/30/07

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                    • Re: who said this?
                      yo G Ride dont yer panties up in a bind, true dat mtn bike frny susp is down and f/s is flat and lower than previous years, but I didnt say all bike sales are down. So basically I am just stating to FFW that where in the hell is he getting that info that there are more ppl than ever mtn biking. Also I wasnt directing the question to you and quit calling me names, how old are you?
                      Posted by Mongoose a 67 year old riding a Bullit from Hwy 2 on 07/30/07

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                    • Re: who said this?
                      Mongoose and GRide own this website!
                      Posted by GhostRider a 31 year old Downhiller on 07/31/07

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                  • Re: who said this?
                    hope your have life insurance
                    Posted by Mongoose a 67 year old riding a Bullit from Hwy 2 on 08/24/07

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                • Re: who said this?
                  No. The reason that all the cool posters left this site is that we all bought Turners and therefore too cool to bandy about words with the likes of you.

                  Carry on.
                  Posted by RightArm on 08/21/07

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  • Re: who said this?
    How about this one:

    The only controls available to those on board were two push-buttons on the center post of the cabin—one labeled on and one labeled off. The on button simply started a flight from Mars. The off button connected to nothing. It was installed at the insistence of the Martian mental-health experts, who said that human beings were always happier with machinery they thought they could turn off.


    Posted by Dr Wellington Yueh on 07/27/07

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    • Re: who said this?
      L. Ron Hubbard? I have no idea . . . . Capt. Kirk?
      Posted by Chainsaw a Die-hard Enthusiast riding a Red, White and Blue or Black one from S&M/Bentwood on 07/27/07

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      • Re: who said this?
        Kurt Vonnegut Jr. (a real SF author!), in Sirens Of Titan, describing the interior of the spaceships that would be used by Martian (human) soldiers to invade Earth.


        Here's an easier one:

        Ya can't Torquemada nuthin'!

        Posted by Dr Wellington Yueh on 07/27/07

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  • Re: who said this?
    Hey fatcat, FFW said more people were 'riding' than ever - not bike sales. If you go out on the trail there are more people than ever.
    Posted by Intenserider2 a 32 year old riding a A pair of KHS from Colorado on 08/09/07

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  • Re: who said this?
    Oh God said to Abraham, "Kill me a son"
    Abe says, "Man, you must be puttin' me on"
    God say, "No." Abe say, "What?"
    God say, "You can do what you want Abe, but
    The next time you see me comin' you better run"
    Well Abe says, "Where do you want this killin' done?"
    God says, "Out on Highway 61."

    Well Georgia Sam he had a bloody nose
    Welfare Department they wouldn't give him no clothes
    He asked poor Howard where can I go
    Howard said there's only one place I know
    Sam said tell me quick man I got to run
    Ol' Howard just pointed with his gun
    And said that way down on Highway 61.

    Well Mack the Finger said to Louie the King
    I got forty red white and blue shoe strings
    And a thousand telephones that don't ring
    Do you know where I can get rid of these things
    And Louie the King said let me think for a minute son
    And he said yes I think it can be easily done
    Just take everything down to Highway 61.

    Now the fifth daughter on the twelfth night
    Told the first father that things weren't right
    My complexion she said is much too white
    He said come here and step into the light he says hmm you're right
    Let me tell the second mother this has been done
    But the second mother was with the seventh son
    And they were both out on Highway 61.

    Now the rovin' gambler he was very bored
    He was tryin' to create a next world war
    He found a promoter who nearly fell off the floor
    He said I never engaged in this kind of thing before
    But yes I think it can be very easily done
    We'll just put some bleachers out in the sun
    And have it on Highway 61.

    Posted by CFIT on 08/30/07

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