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Knee problems...
Stepping up the mileage to race expert this year has taken its toll on my knees for some reason. Anyone else have problems? Any things/tricks I can do before/after riding to help this problem? Or am I just a weeknee(hahaha).

Any help is appriciated Thanks.
Posted by CoMo a 19 year old on 02/17/05

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  • Re: Knee problems...
    Make sure you are sitting at the correct hight on your seat. Reaching for your pedals can strain your knees. It also can go the other way...if you are riding in a more 'crouched' position, with your seat dropped, it may be too low. The other thing to try is circular pedaling. I notice when I ride steep climbs that I tend to square off my pedal stroke. If I use my ankles to pivot my feet while pedaling, I create more of a circular (true) motion for the crank up the hill. This will not only help you rise to the occasion of the steep hill, but also take a bit of pressure off of your knees. Good luck!
    Posted by CrzyRidr3 a 33 year old on 02/17/05

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    • Re: Knee problems...
      Good advice. Also, warm up slowly before hammering, try to spin a lower gear rather than mash a higher one, and ice the knees after you ride.
      Posted by El Jefe a 35 year old on 02/17/05

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  • Re: Knee problems...
    I recommend knee-pads........and, don't pull any "tricks" - that's illegal in most states.
    Posted by GhostRider a 31 year old on 02/17/05

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  • Re: Knee problems...
    All the above...... and go to your LBS and get properly fitted on the bike - could make a huge difference. Sure helped my 46 yr old knees. Might try daily dose of glucosamine/chondrointin (sp?) and taking an aspirin or ibuprofin after your workouts to reduce swelling. Taking Dusty's models after a workout, however, might increase swelling ;-)
    Posted by FFW a 46 year old Die-hard Enthusiast from Palmdale on 02/17/05

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    • Re: Knee problems...
      In all the right places....
      Posted by CrzyRidr3 a 33 year old on 02/17/05

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    • Re: Knee problems...
      Glucosamine and chondrointin work really well with Lanaline (sp?). Or so I've heard.
      I fell off a billboard scaffold a few years ago and f*cked up my knee. I carry an ACE bandage in my pack and roll it on if a long bike ride gets the joint aching. Doesn't happen too often, though, since my moto is my usual steed.
      Posted by Big Bad Ben a 36 year old on 02/17/05

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    • Re: Knee problems...
      Como listen to FFW. Getting a correct fit on your bike makes a gigantic difference. I would make the assumption that you have already had your bike fitted? What kind of pedals are you using?
      There are some others here who would know a lot more than I.
      Paz Afuera
      Posted by Papisimo on 02/17/05

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      • Re: Knee problems...
        I have had the bike fitted. I went through it and made sure the seat wasnt to high/short, made sure my knees were over the pedal spindel etc. I have also had the knee angles measure and set up by the LBS also, I think I raised the seat just a tad bit anyway after that, Ill try it a little lower. Other than that the bike seems like the set-up is fine(seat hight is much more confortable now than when set up). The pedals I am using are the Time Atac Carbons. Will pedals really make that much of a difference if any at all?
        Posted by CoMo on 02/17/05

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        • Re: Knee problems...
          I have a buddy who went from SPDs to Frogs just because of knee problems. The degree of float can cause some experience pain I believe. Frogs aren't as good if you ride really technical trails. They almost feel like you aren't clicked in due to so much float. His knee problems have gone away. Maybe its time to try some other pedals.
          Also, do you trust the person who fit you at the LBS? Does he/she know what they are doing?
          Crzy3's suggestions should be noted. Are ya mashing gears?
          There are some more qualified racers here to give suggestions, hopefully they'll chime in.
          Paz Afuera
          Posted by Papisimo on 02/18/05

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          • Re: Knee problems...

            Frogs are great for riders with "paper knees" and, once you get used to them, it's easy to know when you're in or out of the pedal. It's also very easy to kick out in a panic or to "eject" the bike in a tumble.

            For sure: upon first riding them, it's like standing on an ice cube.

            Posted by EBasil on 02/18/05

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            • Re: Knee problems...
              Frogs are the easiest and most comfortable pedals to ride with; that is, once you get passed the initial ice skating syndrome. Only problem with frogs are there durability, which isn't very good. You'll be replacing cleats more often then you should be and crack or demolish the pedal body, sooner or later. I have a pair that's collecting dust in my garage. I'm keeping them and will use them on my Truth for Fire road types of riding. Considering his application (XC racing) and potential knee problems, Frogs will only help his situation. Let alone the weight loss of the pedals.
              Posted by JoeTruth on 02/18/05

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              • Re: Knee problems...

                I have to say, I think Frogs are really duro. I'm ambivalent about the new "Frog II" cleat.

                I have two sets of Frogs. One "modern", black, stainless spindled set that came with F2 cleats, and one butterscotch colored set that came with the original cleats. The older Frogs have many miles, pedal strikes, water crossings and crashes on them. Last year, I finally replaced the roller bearings in them..the cartridge side was good. Although I had broken edges off the "mushroom", I never broke a cleat (and the mushrooms can be rotated). My "new" Frogs have also been bashed and abused, and the pedals are doing great.

                However, I tore the retention cleat/pad off one of my F2 cleats and can't point to any "event" that would have caused it. Anomalous? I put a rebuilt "F1" cleat on my shoe and it's good to go.

                I think they're duro.

                Posted by EBasil on 02/18/05

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        • Re: Knee problems...
          "I think I raised the seat just a tad bit anyway after that, Ill try it a little lower."

          If your seat is too high your pain will be on the sides or back of your knees. Too low will give you pain in front and top of your knees.
          Posted by Endo Verendo on 02/18/05

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          • Re: Knee problems...
            The pain is on the inside portion of the knee where the joint is, when it gets bad its the knee and also feels like shin splints as well. At this point the bike seems to be set up fine, I guess i just gotta get use to the mileage until I become more accustom to it. I wil try to get my hands on some of the pedals though to give them a shot. Thanks for the help everyone.
            Posted by CoMo a 19 year old on 02/18/05

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            • Re: Knee problems...
              Maybe you are right and you just ramped up your training too much too quickly.
              GLTY and maybe I'll see ya at some races.
              Paz Afuera
              Posted by Papisimo on 02/18/05

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              • Re: Knee problems...
                Fo shizzle, what class, age group are you racing in? What up-coming races are you planning on doing?
                Posted by CoMo a 19 year old on 02/18/05

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                • Re: Knee problems...
                  I am still trying to pick all the races that I want to go to but I am trying to race any Non Am Cup Event(the courses are all the freakin same at Big Bear) ie. Sagebrush, Castaic, Utah, Sea Otter, Firestone, Rim Nordic, Keyesville,Tahoe, Downieville, and maybe some others. I decided to try expert 30-34 this year. I am gonna get my arse kicked anyway might as well get more bang for my buck.
                  So like I said maybe see ya at the races. What are you racing?
                  Paz Afuera
                  Posted by Papisimo on 02/20/05

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  • Re: Knee problems...
    Eat sea cucumbers, they are an ancient Chinese rememdy for sore joints and ligaments.
    Paz Afuera
    Posted by Papisimo on 02/17/05

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    • Re: Knee problems...
      Geoduck and Slivovitz is the ancient Slovenien remedy.

      I think this has already been mentioned, but check your knee position is in relation to your foot when pedaling. When really mashing, I like my knee to be behind my toes (further back in the saddle)
      Posted by Ezyrider2 riding a spot from da beach on 02/18/05

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  • Re: Knee problems...

    I have longstanding knee problems, so I have a few suggestions that are maybe too obvious:

    --ride a lot: strong legs make for more durable knees (just don't fack em up while getting there).

    --take a 200mg ibuprofen before rides, and then 400, after. The anti-inflammatory effect is mild, but enough to reduce pain and damage from long rides for me. I've been doing it for a long time, and it works. If I forget to take the pre-ride, I'll know about it within 10 miles, less on the singlespeed.

    --eschew cheap, fizzy yellow peewater beer.

    Posted by EBasil on 02/18/05

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  • Re: Knee problems...
    Knee pain can be caused by many things. One of the best ways to try and alleviate the problem, is to first try and get an accurate diagnosis of what is causing the problem. If you are confident in the basic fit of your bike, then I would suggest you go and see an orthopedist, PT, or both and get a diagnosis.

    While these health professionals are very experienced with knee problems, they often are not very familiar with cycling and the associated biomechanics. Thats why I made the comment on the bike fit. It sounds like you are certain it is setup properly. But, small changes can also make a big difference. Try moving your seat back a bit more, so your knee is behind the pedal axle a bit, rather than right over. Also, I am another fan Speedplay pedals (frogs and x type). The freeplay is great for the knees, as your body will just find it's most comfortable pedaling angle. Also, the frogs are very easy to get out of, so I find them great for technical terrain, but you must make sure you are clipped in.

    Anyway, try to get an accurate diagnosis, that is the best way to figure out what steps to take to fix the problem. Of course, if the problem is just transient, then just getting a few suggestions and trying things on your own might be enough.
    Posted by Pilot a 32 year old on 02/18/05

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  • Re: Knee problems...
    There are a lot of good suggestions in this thread but there is one that no one has mentioned. I mostly only have knee pain in the winter. So in the winter I never ride with bare knees. I always wear tights or knee warmers because keeping the heat in makes a big difference.
    Posted by Spiderman a 46 year old on 02/19/05

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  • Re: Knee problems...
    Follow link to get some specific anwsers, they have a where is the pain and a possible solution.
    Posted by Moab1963 a 41 year old Racer riding a f1000sl from SaN diego/ Tijuana on 02/21/05

    knee pain

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