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Best Beer V
Because IV Beer threads wasn't enough.
Posted by DIRTJUNKIE a 42 year old Die-hard Enthusiast riding a Intense UZZI-SL from Rancho Bernardo on 03/10/04

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  • Re: Best Beer V
    Ahh, Stone Smoked Porter. One of my all-time favorites. I had it last night, and followed it up with a very young, but still quite drinkable Vertical Epic.
    Posted by El Jefe a 35 year old on 11/06/04

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    • Re: Best Beer V
      Fuller's Porter is a darned good beer.

      Some brew porters to be way out of style and strong enough to hit you over the head, like a stout. Porters should be subtle, thin and complex and this one is exactly those things. If any brewery can nail a British style, Fullers is it.
      Posted by GC on 06/06/05

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    Ahh, Stone Smoked Porter. One of my all-time favorites. I had it last night, and followed it up with a very young, but still quite drinkable.
    Posted by El Jefe a 35 year old on 11/06/04

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  • Re: Best Beer V
    I had Delirium Nocturnum last night. I thought it wasn't quite as smooth as Delirium Tremens, but still more well rounded than Chimay. It was a lovely 9.6% alcohol, disguised quite well by the rich malt and Belgian yeast. Yum.
    Posted by El Jefe a 35 year old on 11/04/04

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    • Re: Best Beer V
      Speaking of Belgian beers...



      So far, a good week in Singapore for sampling Belgians:
      1. A couple of Rochefort 10's. 11.3%ABV, but verrrrry smooth. Still my favorite beer of all time. Wish I could find it in the OC. Oh well, gives me something to look forward to on my visits to SingSing.
      2. Abbaye de Rocs. Another really good Belgian dark ale, 9%ABV, hints of plum flavor, can't find this one in the OC, either...
      3. St. Sebastiaan Grand Cru. Interesting, lighter flavor than the others, but not one I'd look for back home.
      4. Some other pale Belgian ale, but by then, who knows what the h*ll I was drinking... I think it was a Rodenbach

      Though the beer was good, for sure, it was probably the strangest night for food I've ever had. Here's a rundown of the food consumed while sampling the brews:
      1. Raw octopus (pretty good, very sushi-like)
      2. Raw oysters (not my thing)
      3. Steamed New Zealand green mussels with plenty of garlic
      4. Four kinds of German sausage + sourkraut + potato salad
      5. Roast rabbit (very mild and good)
      6. Grilled kangaroo ribs (ugggghhh... very gamey, like mutton from h*ll)
      7. Pork knuckle (a bit stronger taste than carnitas, darker meat, but tasty)

      Weird... Next time, I guess we'll have to try the alligator.

      Hey, if anyone knows anywhere to find the Rochefort 10 in the OC, post it here please!!!!

      Keep riding, stay dirty (token mtb content...)
      Posted by VLander a 45 year old on 11/07/04

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    • Re: Best Beer V
      I had a Diabolique Cuvee last night. I believe the alcohol content is close to Delirium Nocturnum, but not quite as malty. A bit more of a pilsner type, with a nice Belgian trappist finish. One of those big bottles definitely goes a long way.

      Tonight is Father's Office...many good choices.

      Tomorrow night is James Squire Australian Amber with a couple shots of Corallejo Anejo tequila.

      MMMMMMMMMMMMMM.
      Posted by CrzyRidr3 a 33 year old on 11/04/04

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  • Re: Best Beer V
    Polygamy Porter. Not half bad I must say. I had a whole bunch of it this past weekend.
    Posted by El Jefe a 35 year old on 11/02/04

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    • Re: Best Beer V
      That's been a hard one to find. Where'd yo....ah, you were in Utah.

      Dammit.
      Posted by EBasil on 11/02/04

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      • Re: Best Beer V
        Yes, Utah. Where the women aren't nearly as mormon as they may seem to be at first....
        Posted by El Jefe a 35 year old on 11/02/04

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        • Re: Best Beer V
          Those were goats, Jeff. Jesus!

          Go wash up.
          Posted by EBasil on 11/02/04

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          • Re: Best Beer V
            Sorry, my bad.....or should I say, my baaaaaaaad. :-)
            Posted by El Jefe a 35 year old on 11/02/04

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          • Re: Best Beer V
            A few of the winter seasonals are trickling in. Tried the Deschutes 'Jubelale' last week, pretty darn tasty. Preferred by 9 out of 10 goat herders, at least the ones that frequent Bev-Mo.
            Posted by Ezyrider2 on 11/02/04

            yum, beer!

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            • Re: Best Beer V
              I haven't had the Deschutes. Thanks for the heads-up.

              I did just go buy my bottles of the '04 DB, and here's the obligatory MTB-reference....

              pix:https://www.stonebrew.com/Merchant2/graphics/dbjers.jpg
              Posted by EBasil on 11/02/04

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            • Re: Best Beer V
              Hey, the link didn't show! (but shows up on the reply!?!)

              link:http://www.deschutesbrewery.com/BrewPub/OnTap/5811.aspx
              Posted by Ezyrider2 riding a cozy seat from da pub on 11/02/04

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  • Re: Best Beer V
    My suggestion is that we all view the site after finding and consuming seasonal microbrews. Anchor's Christmas Ale is still a few weeks away...but Stone opened the OAKED today...
    Posted by EBasil on 11/01/04

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  • Re: Best Beer V
    Tried a Diabolique from Andelot Proefbrouwerij (Belgium) over the weekend. $5.99 at TJ's for a 750ml bottle, so it's a cheap Chimay substitute.
    I liked it, you may too.

    (just need to get this thread back up on the board)
    Posted by Black Bart a 32 year old Die-hard Enthusiast from Santa Monica on 11/01/04

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    • Re: Best Beer V
      I'll have to try it. Are you working all week? I'm on hiatus if you wanna ride sometime. I'm also defenitely going to FO sometime this week.
      Posted by Endo Verendo on 11/01/04

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  • Re: Best Beer V
    While I was attending to a loved one in the hospital, I brought with me a Guinness pub draught can. Nothing like drinking in a hospital room!
    Posted by El Jefe on 03/10/04

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  • Re: Best Beer V
    Now that I have given up XC for the darkside, every beer is a good one. And there are lots more of em too.

    The next 24hr race is gonna be a blast.
    Posted by Softy on 03/10/04

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  • Re: Best Beer V
    Just got back from AZ with a six of New Belian Fat Tire and 1554 Dark Ale, Oak Creek Nut Brown and Mogollon Wapiti Amber. The inside of my fridge looks just as scenic as Sedona.
    Posted by Endo Verendo on 03/15/04

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    • Re: Best Beer V
      Ya gotta love a fridge with that kind of scenery. Hey Endo, if you need your refridgerater cleaned out I would be happy to oblige.
      Posted by DIRTJUNKIE a 42 year old Die-hard Enthusiast riding a Intense UZZI-SL from Rancho Bernardo on 03/16/04

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      • Re: Best Beer V
        Oh, this is nice. Coming home from a nice hot ride and popping open a cold Fat Tire.
        Posted by Endo Verendo on 03/20/04

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  • Re: Best Beer V
    Anderson Valley Hop Ottin' IPA is great stuff."Brewed from the finest hops, malted barley, hops, yeast, hops, and pristine Boonville mineral water. And hops."Weighing in at 7% Alc. by vol., it'll make you very hoppy.
    Posted by Black Bart a 31 year old Die-hard Enthusiast riding a Sugar+ from Santa Monica on 04/07/04

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    • Re: Best Beer V

      Are you an IPA fan? Got more you want to bust out for review?

      I had a mild IPA at Karl Strauss yesterday during brunch. Well, I had three, but that's only because I am a wildman drinker...or something like that. Not much as IPA's go, but it was a damn fine clean Pale Ale!
      Posted by EBasil riding a Manitou HT from San Diego on 04/12/04

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      • Re: Best Beer V
        Have you ever tried the Acme IPA? Not a bad one at all. Hopped a little more than a typical IPA, but very tasty with a stronger finish than you'd get out of a typical IPA.
        Posted by STP a 45 year old Racer riding a K2 Razorpig from P'dale on 04/12/04

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        • Re: Best Beer V
          Yes! I have two more of those in the fridge. I like the hopping for bitterness, but the Acme doesn't seem to have the aromatics it "should" for an IPA. It's a little lighter in body than many...great for tossing down in hot weather. Last night, we had them with smoked tri-tip.

          BevMo is our ambassador to the world!
          Posted by EBasil riding a Manitou HT from San Diego on 04/12/04

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          • Re: Best Beer V
            The Acme is good, but IPA over a month in bottle will start to lose any dry hop aroma (that real hoppy or citrusy nose and flavor immediately present). IPA is best very young or out of the keg so that the aroma stays with it.

            Tried a Hoptown IPA last night. It was an English style (use of a Burton's style yeast, producing fruity esters) and bitter. They used some of a "C" hop (prob. a Cascade) for the citrus nose to tease the fruit flavor that would fill the palate on the way down. Good. Unfortunately, it had the same lack of true hop nose like you described.
            Posted by GC on 04/13/04

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            • Re: Best Beer V
              I'll look up that Hoptown IPA at my local liquour store.
              Posted by STP a 45 year old Racer riding a K2 Razorpig from P'dale on 04/13/04

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            • Re: Best Beer V
              Agreed, had a draft Anderson IPA at The Library last night. It was, of course, better than from the bottle. Followed that with a Stone Pale Ale (I know, sorta backwards, I was thinking of going with the Bastard but one IPA on an empty stomach was already doin the trick). It took a few swigs to clear the palate, but a decent Pale Ale.
              Both are excellent with the turkey meatloaf.
              Posted by Black Bart on 04/14/04

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              • Re: Best Beer V
                Next time you're headed to the Library, shoot me an email. I have some studying to do. nothing like meeting face to face with SoCalmtb'ers over a couple beers and some quality entertainment.
                Posted by El Jefe on 04/14/04

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                • Re: Best Beer V
                  By entertainment do you mean this?....


                  Posted by Endo Verendo on 04/14/04

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                  • Re: Best Beer V
                    That's icky!

                    nice Sleestack sighting though!
                    Posted by Macrider a 37 year old Die-hard Enthusiast riding a Turner RFX, XCE & Trek Bruiser 2 from LA on 04/14/04

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                    • Re: Best Beer V
                      Whoa, looks like some best beer posts were removed. 1 Chimay red label, and one Arrogant Bastard for this evening, please.
                      Posted by El Jefe on 04/14/04

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                • Re: Best Beer V
                  Not sure if we're talking about the same place, Library Ale House on Main in Santa Monica. But hey, if you wanna swing up here for a beer, that's cool. I think I owe you one!
                  Posted by Black Bart from Santa Monica on 04/14/04

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    • Re: Best Beer V
      Just picked up a Hop Ottin at TJ's. I'm ot much of an IPA guy, but I'll check it out and get back to ya.
      Posted by Endo Verendo on 04/12/04

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      • Re: Best Beer V
        Review: not bad. Not as hoppy as I had expected and it had pleasantly sweet after-tones. It tasted 'lighter' than I expected. I was missing the full flavor that accompanies the bold hops in something like Arrogant Bastard. I'm not an IPA fan or know enough about them to really say yay or nay to this except that I think I need to buy another Hop Ottin or two just to make sure.
        Posted by Endo Verendo on 04/14/04

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        • Re: Best Beer V
          Ha, yeah, better make sure. When you're at TJ's pick up a couple of Anderson's Boont Amber Ale, if you have not tried it. Delicious!

          I'm in AZ right now, so I'm enjoying some Fat Tire. mmmmm
          Posted by Black Bart on 04/14/04

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          • Re: Best Beer V
            Bashtard! Hey, could you bring me back two bottles of Mogollon Wapiti Amber and some New Belgium 1554 Dark Ale? Pretty please? :-)
            Posted by Endo Verendo on 04/14/04

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            • Re: Best Beer V
              Hmmm, how many bottles are allowed as carryon luggage? Will a 12 pack fit under the seat?
              Posted by Black Bart on 04/16/04

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              • Re: Best Beer V
                So, I forgot to bring any back with me. The good news is, I'll have nice cold Fat Tire waiting in the fridge next time I visit my mom. :)
                Posted by Black Bart a 31 year old Die-hard Enthusiast riding a Sugar+ and a Schwinn Cruiser Seven from Santa Monica on 05/17/04

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    • Re: Best Beer V
      This dropped *way* to far off the list...

      Looking forward to EzyRider2's suds taste-fest manana.

      Which will become the new "session beer?" (Hate to think that FireRock will get bumped from it's current lofty position...)

      The suspense is killin' me...

      Posted by VLander on 08/18/04

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      • Re: Best Beer V
        Here's the low down; 4 levels, 3 beers each, blind taste test. Moves from low octane to high.
        Round I: 'Some Light, Some Not'
        Round II: 'Clash of the Pale Ales'
        Round III: 'Time For Some Ass Kickers'
        Round IV: 'Break Out the Dark and Nasty'

        This should be interesting. Suds are in the frig, and a chillin away. Gentlemen, start your taste buds.
        Posted by EzyRider2 riding a BevMo Especial from Hop City, USA on 08/18/04

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  • Re: Best Beer V
    Had some dogfish head 120 min IPA last night. They had a note on the chalkboard at the bar that it was the strongest beer in the world at 24.6% ABV. Lol. It was actually quite good, surprisingly! It better be at $13/12oz bottle. I doubt you'd need to drink more than one at a sitting though.

    Posted by Mudpuppy a 31 year old Weekend Warrior riding a Cannondale F400 from Southbay on 04/15/04

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    • Re: Best Beer V
      Hey, we were talking about this brew not too long ago. When I called Dogfish, they couldn't come up with anywhere in California that distributed or "has" the 120min IPA. Where'd you get to try it?
      Posted by EBasil riding a Manitou HT from San Diego on 04/15/04

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      • Re: Best Beer V
        I was at a place near the Redondo Beach pier called Najas. They have quite a selection there...

        http://www.redondo.com/business/najas.html
        Posted by Mudpuppy a 31 year old Weekend Warrior riding a Cannondale F400 from Southbay on 04/15/04

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        • Re: Best Beer V
          Gotta love Najas...on a similar note--

          Lucky Baldwins has a Barleywine Festival that runs from the 17th to the 25th.

          Stone Old Guardian on tap, Bigfoot, etc.

          See ya'll there.
          Posted by Surly a 28 year old Die-hard Enthusiast riding a '02 Giant AC from Pasadena on 04/18/04

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    • Re: Best Beer V
      Check out Liquid Solutions on the web. Lots of good stuff, a bit pricey, but if you want it, they got it!!
      Posted by IMTony a 37 year old Die-hard Enthusiast riding a Intense Tracer, SLX and Spot SS from Temecula on 04/18/04

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      • Re: Best Beer V
        Found it. Yeah, $8.75 for a 12 oz. of the Dogfish 120 IS steep. Amazing beer list, though. I will have to go back and play on that site sometime. Thanks for the tip!
        Posted by EBasil riding a Manitou HT from San Diego on 04/19/04

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  • Re: Best Beer V
    Ok,
    My favorite current beers are:

    Lagunitas-The Kronic (Censored) Rich Copper Ale and 7.7%ABV. Careful with this one, you can't taste the alcohol at all. Rich carmel taste and verrrrrryyyyy smoooov...

    040404 Stone Vertical Epic - A good, young, Abbey Trippel with a kick of lime and citrusy flavors. Should age very well if you can keep from drinking it!! 8.5%ABV and very tastey, if you can find it, buy as much as you can and let it age...

    Lastly, besides the usual suspects (Ruination IPA and Double Bastard) I tried a Moylans Kilt Lifter, Scotch Ale. Very good, strong chocolate and caramel scents, and great warm mouthfeel. Not particulary bitter or complex, but very, very, drinkable; but, at 8% ABV, you might be advised to go easy!!
    Posted by IMTony a 37 year old Die-hard Enthusiast riding a Intense Tracer, SLX and Spot SS from Temecula on 04/18/04

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    • Re: Best Beer V
      all very good brews!

      I went to pick up some Vertical Epic & my local Bristol Farms told me they got ONE case and one guy bought 6 and a chick came in the next day and bought the other 6 (should I have asked if she was single???)

      no Vert for me, unless I can find more in another shop on the Westside...
      Posted by Macrider a 37 year old Die-hard Enthusiast riding a Turner RFX, XCE & Trek Bruiser 2 from LA on 04/19/04

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      • Re: Best Beer V
        Plenty here in the Valley but it got a 'so-so' review from DDawg.
        Posted by Endo Verendo on 04/19/04

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        • Re: Best Beer V

          I have to admit, I won't be laying these down to wait for the intended Vertical Epic consumption method. That's fun, but I just don't have the refrigerator to dedicate to the right temperatures for several years. I've been using a one-year rule, to let the ales settle-in, because I don't think they'll be near to the intended result when consumed in the year of their labeling.

          I did multi-year laydowns of Thomas Hardy, Sierra Nevada Celebration and several homebrews in the 80/90's but my folks won't let me monopolize their spare fridge anymore.
          Posted by EBasil riding a Manitou HT from San Diego on 04/19/04

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          • Re: Best Beer V
            The bottle of Deus JimN got me for my birthday a couple weeks ago went right into the wine rack.
            Posted by Endo Verendo on 04/19/04

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            I have space I can loan you. I'll keep a close watch on proper serving temperature, too. ;)
            Posted by GC on 04/19/04

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              Yeah, uh, that sounds a lot like how I found out my folks didn't want to leave me with sole use of their fridge. My Dad commented to me about one of the beers he drank. I actually drove to LA with a cooler the next morning to perform an extraction (with extreme prejudice).

              Now, I only stock their "spare" fridge with what I can easily replace from the Green Jug or whatnot.
              Posted by EBasil riding a Manitou HT from San Diego on 04/20/04

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        Tons in OC at Bev Mo.

        Haven't tried it yet, too young to drink. Cellaring a few bottles for a bit...
        Posted by GC on 04/19/04

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  • Re: Best Beer V
    The Guinness-bike, as reported in BRAIN:



    Posted by EBasil riding a Manitou HT from San Diego on 04/20/04

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  • Re: Best Beer V
    Sad news in the beer world:

    Today it was announced that Canada's Sleeman Breweries is acquiring Unibroue:

    http://www.unibroue.com/brewery/040420.pdf

    To me, this is not encouraging news. Sleeman is Canada's third largest brewer, although considerably smaller than Molson and Labatt. They brew several beers that are unremarkable to my taste and have the distribution rights to a number of import brands in Canada. Unibroue is unique in North American brewing, with its own distinctive Quebecois attitude and accent, and brews several outstanding Belgian styles that have rather wide distribution in Canada and the US.

    I might look upon the deal more favorably if Sleeman had acquired the rights only to distribute the Unibroue beers in English-speaking Canada, but Sleeman's attitude about beer in general is much less experimental and you have to wonder if the innovation in styles will continue.

    C'est la vie, as I'm sure someone is saying.
    Posted by GC on 04/20/04

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    • Re: Best Beer V
      Noooo!

      Well, as long as they keep brewing Maudite I will be happy.
      Posted by Mudpuppy a 31 year old Weekend Warrior riding a Cannondale F400 from Southbay on 04/21/04

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        Their history of acquisition and brand consolidation may mean the end to some of those great beers. Every brewery/brand they've touched has been "dumbed down" for mass markets or eliminated.
        Posted by GC on 04/21/04

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    • Re: Best Beer V
      Although this might seem like a bad thing, a crappy beer producer buying a great beer producer, Sleeman will probably not change any of Unibroues beer formulas. If they wanted to make more crappy beer they would probably just expand their current production facility or buy another crappy beer brand.

      These mergers have been a happening alot in the wine world and usually it is for the better, unless the company is bought by Gallo, then it goes to crap.
      Posted by Uhkuhjillion a 28 year old Cross-Country riding a a Jereboam of Arogant Bastard from Pasadena on 04/21/04

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    Alrighty.... I know it's only 2pm on a Thursday afternoon but I had a six pack in the fridge staring at me. And what better to go with a hummus platter for lunch than an Avery White Rascal served in a Belgian glass. Simple and to the point- tastes like Chimay but at a fraction of the price. Maybe a slightly less sweet and a bit more hops and do I dare say I like this better?. It's brewed with coriander and orange peel, but you could have fooled me as they're no where on my palate. I give it two thumbs up. Ok, back to work.
    Posted by Endo Verendo riding a early afternoon buzz on 04/22/04

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      Great idea.

      I think I'll have a schwarzbier and go pee on the lawn for Earth Day. All will be right with the world...
      Posted by GC on 04/22/04

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      • Re: Best Beer V
        Can we load lemons into the pneumatic tube gun and fire them at the wall? That would be a great way to celebrate as well!!! :-)
        Posted by El Jefe on 04/22/04

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          Only after having a few beers.

          Weapons like that are only safe after drinking. ;) I'll have to get a couple more out of aging for more shooting, though. Cream Ale? Stouts? IPA's? Yep, all 18 kegs are filled...

          Hey, are you going? I'll be there with my club...good stuff:

          http://www.calhomebrewers.org/event.html

          Posted by GC on 04/22/04

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          • Re: Best Beer V
            Updated link.

            Oh yeah, why fire at the wall when that sucker will go a good 300 yards? The wall is way too close. ;)
            Posted by GC on 04/22/04

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    What the hell is going on here? How could this thread get pushed down so far? Have we no new beer stories? No new beer discoveries?

    My new regimen is to grab a big bottle of Chimay and a 220z bottle of Arrogant Bastard. I drink the Chimay first, bathing in the delicate beauty of the fruity yeast esters and the rich malt. Then I grab that Arrogant Bastard and slice my taste buds wide open with the raw elegance of the hoppy treasure.
    Posted by El Jefe on 04/27/04

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    • Re: Best Beer V
      Is that breakfast, lunch or dinner? lol
      Posted by Mudpuppy a 31 year old Weekend Warrior riding a Cannondale F400 from Southbay on 04/27/04

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      I just discovered I pissed off my neighbor Sat. night from being a sloppy drunk; again. You were playing guitar, and I was rambling and offended someone with a song I just made up. Do you remember that part?

      Sloppy sloppy sloppy. I have no control, but stories nonetheless. :)
      Posted by Lagwagon on 04/27/04

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        Dude, that song was hilarious. Of course your yelling and laughing and flopping around on the ground like a wounded walrus probably had nothing to do with the neighbor getting pissed off, right? :-)

        BTW, Mudpuppy- that's for all three meals and my late night snack.
        Posted by El Jefe on 04/27/04

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  • Re: Best Beer V
    May I have your attention please...... Avery Brewing Co's Old Jubilation Ale tastes like Arrogant Bastard but I like it better. Head over to BevMo, then discuss.
    Posted by Endo Verendo on 04/27/04

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    • Re: Best Beer V
      Woohoo! It's Friday evening Arrogance night!

      Of course, so was last night, and the night before....
      Posted by El Jefe on 04/30/04

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        Ah yes, but it is members only (not the jacket) at the CA Homebrew Fest tonight. Trick or Treat from club to club to sample their best....oh yeah, it is free. Opening day (and closing day) is tomorrow.

        Stone's master brewer is usually there as well as other greats with their private reserve to sample.

        Should be a good weekend.....I just hope I remember it. ;)
        Posted by GC on 04/30/04

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        • Re: Best Beer V
          Do you want some company? I am a Food Scientist who will give you a solid opinion; even after hours and hours of sampling. ;)

          (I'm jealous, sounds fun)
          Posted by Lagwagon on 04/30/04

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          • Re: Best Beer V
            Just picked up some Deschutes Obsidian Stout fron BevMo (and some roasted salsa)

            Don't hate the drinka.
            Posted by EzyRider2 riding a tall glass of pleasure from around here somewhere on 04/30/04

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          • Re: Best Beer V
            Ah yes, very good times.

            If you can make it next year, it is worth the trip.

            I had some private stash of some great brewers. Amazing beers. Around the campfire one night one of our new found friends broke out the past six years of Big Foot Barleywine from Sierra Nevada. We opened them up, year by year, and all sampled the aged barleywines and compared the differences. '97 was a good year.

            Just a short list of the amazing beers we sampled:
            orange blossom porter
            a vanilla belgian
            an amazing tripple
            a couple of really good IPA's
            milk stout
            many good meads

            All were done by homebrewers or pros' homemade stash.

            There was one really interesting contraption there that I had read about from Dogfish Head. They had made a "hop filter" that would force beer through about six pounds of hops just prior to serving. It did add some aroma, but what it added took away in coldness, as it wasn't a chilled unit. Interesting concept but I think the basic technique of dry hopping is more effective.

            Great times and good beers, not to mention a fantastic learning experience if you brew or like good beer.
            Posted by GC on 05/03/04

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              Sweet! How can I be your friend? ;) I could really get into a weekend like that.

              The head brewmaster at SLO Brewing Co. and I were going through our senior year Food Science classes up at Cal Poly SLO. I would help him brew for SLO brewery and home brew too. Ahhh, so much fun.

              We would visit the Wildhorse Winery in Paso Robles, and brew beer by the keg! We would heat up the wort under a big burner in a keg, and do it that way; by the keg... Then, we would of course sample it with many others and have ourselves a very good time.

              I need to get back into that personally. It is a great hobby to get into, especially when you know what is happening in the process.

              Thanks for sharing, I am sure many people here wish they were there. If you have more info, please post it. :D
              Posted by Lagwagon on 05/03/04

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              • Re: Best Beer V
                The more the merrier, bro. Come on down.

                A buddy of mine organizes it and they are moving it to Vail Lake next year, which will be a huge imporvement.

                Man, brewing at a winery....what could be better. Yep, keg as a kettle is the only way to go. I brew in a keg and it just makes it so much easier.

                Let's get you back in! For a couple of peppers (cherry and jalepeno spread) I could be convinced to help with the learning curve. ;)
                Posted by GC riding a A big wheel from Anaslime Hills on 05/03/04

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  • Re: Best Beer V
    Oregons Full Sail Ale is great! :) Purchased at Trader Joe's for $5.99. More info for your reading pleasure:

    The Full Sail brewery is located in Hood River, Oregon, in the scenic Columbia River Gorge. Known for its ripping winds, endless mountain bike trails, fast water, and deep snow, the region is "The Adrenaline Capital of the
    Northwest".

    At Full Sail, we have been making great beer since 1987. We liked our beer so much, that in 1999 we bought the brewery! With each beer we brew comes a promise of quality that only an owner can give.

    Full Sail Celebrates Another First (Hood River, OR) The employees at Full Sail Brewing Company are rolling out the barrels to celebrate yet another first. The ESOP (Employee Stock Ownership Plan) buyout was finalized July 2, 1999, making Full Sail America's first and only (ESOP) employee-owned brewery, the company announced today.

    Full Sail is the only brewery to have ever been named to the "Best 100 Companies to Work For, in Oregon" list by Oregon Business Magazine and have maintained that distinction for five consecutive years. Full Sail brews a line of handcrafted ales and lagers including the award-winning Full Sail Amber, Pale and Rip Curl Ale, as well four seasonal brews. Full Sail is available in 15 western states: Alaska, Arizona, California, Colorado, Hawaii, Idaho, Montana, Minnesota, Nevada, New Mexico, Oklahoma, Oregon, Texas, Washington and Wyoming.

    Full Sail Brewing Co.

    Posted by Lagwagon on 05/03/04

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    • Re: Best Beer V
      Why I love DeSchutes in many of ways.

      Quail Springs IPA.

      Great start, bitter. Then straight to fruit as Burton's strain of yeast kicks in. Still more hops. The only thing it is missing is a solid dry hop (aroma), as discussed before, which can only happen in a keg. Besides the dry hop, the only really disappointing part of this IPA is the low % @ 5.8. For an IPA that is pretty low. Most hover in the 7% or above range.

      Darned good beer, though, and I've never had a bad one from DeSchutes.
      Posted by GC on 05/07/04

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      • Re: Best Beer V
        Deschutes does not make a bad beer. Plus, they sponsor mountain bikers. I contacted them about that and they without any prompting sent me a bunch of shwag, leather coasters, bike water bottles, bottle openers stickers, ect.

        Maybe they knew when I was in Bend last I spent excessive amounts of time at the brewery.

        They also have these fixe price dinners pairing their beers with various xlnt cuisine on a semi-monthly basis. Not just one beer and a plate of chow. Several courses with a different brew to match.

        We need a place like that in SoCal. Karl Strauss is ok but it ain't Deschutes. Not even close.

        GC you got me thinking.
        Posted by Mike Kim on 05/20/04

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  • Re: Best Beer V


    That's right.
    Posted by EBasil riding a Manitou HT from San Diego on 05/20/04

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    • Re: Best Beer V
      Hmm, also my birthday month. Coincidence? I think not. :-D
      Posted by El Jefe on 05/20/04

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    • Re: Best Beer V
      Oh, I just got a reminder about August. Yeah, August.http://www.stonebrew.com/8thanniv
      Posted by EBasil on 05/25/04

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    • Re: Best Beer V
      I sampled a little Vertical Epic (this year's release) yesterday. Very young tasting, could use some time to mature, but still a very pleasant brew.

      A very light, almost lacy head appears after a soft pour, with the bubbles rising slowly. It seems on initial taste that there is still some bottle conditioning, perhaps a little more noticable fermenting to do, as the first taste is just a bit harsh and over the top. The yeast flavors play a bit heavy compared to the malt and hops flavors, very different than most Stone creations where the hops take the spotlight. The yeast flavors are quite similar to a belgian tripel, some vanilla and pineapple, almost a bubblegum taste at times, countered by a bit of lemon-lime and some clove. The heavy alcohol keeps the beer from sitting on the tongue too long, and helps it feel clean and refreshing. I definitely would call this a very young, immature beer, that will likely develop some serious character in a couple years. Still, I could toss back a couple 22oz bottles on a hot day, and then bask in a drunken stupor under a warm southern California sun.
      Posted by El Jefe a 34 year old riding a Santa Cruz V10 and Blur, Kona Stinky, and a SS Kona Cowan from Trabuco Canyon on 06/01/04

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      • Re: Best Beer V
        We drank our 02,03 and 04 Verts on Saturday, because we needed to make room...ending the "laydown program" with finality.

        Nice writeup on the 04. I can only generally agree, and would add that the 02 and 03 improved mightily over their wait (I used to laydown beers quite a bit and think the first two years are the "sprint" section of the process),and that 04 shouldn't have been opened yet.
        Posted by EBasil riding a Manitou HT from San Diego on 06/01/04

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        • Re: Best Beer V
          I have one in the fridge I'll drink soon just for fun, but I'll pick up 2 more to laydown for a couple years. I can't see waiting till 12-12-2012 to drink it, but a couple years should do some wonderful things.
          Posted by El Jefe on 06/02/04

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          • Re: Best Beer V
            Jeff, please pick up a few extras for me - I can't find it up here anywhere....
            Posted by Macrider a 37 year old Die-hard Enthusiast riding a Turner RFX, XCE & Trek Bruiser 2 from LA on 06/02/04

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            • Re: Best Beer V
              Will do. I found it for about $6 a bottle, about a buck less than other places. They kep it refridgerated and in a dark area, so no light contamination will occur. I'll swing by there this evening.
              Posted by El Jefe on 06/02/04

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              • Re: Best Beer V
                Perfect, I'll even try not to drink them for a while...
                Posted by Macrider a 37 year old Die-hard Enthusiast riding a Turner RFX, XCE & Trek Bruiser 2 from LA on 06/02/04

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                  Wow, just checked my spelling and typing on that last post...not so good. I have a bad case of allergies going on right now that is causing my eyes to swell badly, so I typed that last post with my eyes closed....again, not so good.

                  Anyway, I'd planned on keeping both bottles stored for a while, but that idea lasted about 10 minutes, and I caved on the first bottle. (closing my swollen eyes, having a few beers and listening to some music, was quite nice this weekend). I think if I buy a whole bunch, I can keep at least one for next year...I think I can, I think I can...
                  Posted by El Jefe on 06/02/04

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  • Re: Best Beer V
    mmmmm....Chimay. Good stuff. There are too many good beers out there to pick just one "best," but along with Chimay I'd have to include Guinness, Arogant Bastard, Icicle Creek Stout (from Oregon.) And Oggi's Black Magic Stout is surprisingly good - dark and chocolaty. Yum.
    Posted by Blackwell a 35 year old Weekend Warrior riding a Tomac -Shooter from Mission Viejo on 05/25/04

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    • Re: Best Beer V
      I hit Oggi's once in a while, and all of their of age staff hits my bar at least a couple times a week. Russ hooks me up with the Black Magic...good stuff indeed.
      Posted by El Jefe a 34 year old riding a Santa Cruz V10 and Blur, Kona Stinky, and a SS Kona Cowan from Trabuco Canyon on 05/25/04

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      • Re: Best Beer V
        Where do you tend bar? For us non-OC-ers.
        Posted by Mike Kim on 05/25/04

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        • Re: Best Beer V
          Kelly McCue's in Mission Viejo. I'm only there on Sunday nights as a bartender, and I typically hang out there on Monday nights to play at open mic night...this Summer I'll be hosting open mic night where musicians come in and play and people drink beer. Good fun.
          Posted by El Jefe a 34 year old riding a Santa Cruz V10 and Blur, Kona Stinky, and a SS Kona Cowan from Trabuco Canyon on 05/26/04

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            Hmm.. you play guitar too I see.
            Interesting. Presuming you are a righty, do you guard your left hand in crashes?
            Posted by Mike Kim on 05/26/04

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            • Re: Best Beer V
              Nope. In fact I broke my left index finger about a month ago. I just taped it up for a couple weeks and had to avoid certain chord progressions till the swelling went down, but I keep plucking away. Still a little swollen and tender, but I heal quickly.
              Posted by El Jefe a 34 year old riding a Santa Cruz V10 and Blur, Kona Stinky, and a SS Kona Cowan from Trabuco Canyon on 05/26/04

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        • Re: Best Beer V
          You should have re-phrased your question "Where do you tend to your wounds?" :-)
          Posted by Endo Verendo on 05/26/04

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          • Re: Best Beer V
            You just shut up.

            You're right, but shut up anyway. ;-)
            Posted by El Jefe a 34 year old riding a Santa Cruz V10 and Blur, Kona Stinky, and a SS Kona Cowan from Trabuco Canyon on 05/26/04

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      • Re: Best Beer V
        I didn't think they had any "of age" staff - they look like a bunch of high school kids. I think I'm just getting old.
        Posted by Blackwell a 35 year old Weekend Warrior riding a Tomac 6-Shooter from Mission Viejo on 05/26/04

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        • Re: Best Beer V
          Well, many are under-age, but quite a few are over 21. You're getting old brah.
          Posted by El Jefe a 34 year old riding a Santa Cruz V10 and Blur, Kona Stinky, and a SS Kona Cowan from Trabuco Canyon on 05/26/04

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      • Re: Best Beer V

        I was in Performance the other day and noted they've got a Canari jersey for Oggi's Sunset Red.
        Posted by EBasil riding a Manitou HT from San Diego on 06/01/04

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  • Re: Best Beer V
    Picked up a sixer of Mendocino Brewing Company's "Eye of the Hawk" from TJ's yesterday, had one after my ride last night. First impression was that it was not as flavorful as I was expecting and just a tad on the flat side. This one packs an 8% punch though, so while enjoying my second one I forgot about its shortfalls and decided it was a pretty darn good beer. :^D
    Posted by Black Bart a 31 year old Die-hard Enthusiast riding a Sugar+ and a Schwinn Cruiser Seven from Santa Monica on 05/26/04

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  • Re: Best Beer V
    Has anyone sampled any of the Sonora Brewing Company's offerings? If you like dark beers, try their Inebriator Stout. Dark as Guinness, without the creamy head, which it makes up for with a creamy mouth feel, dark roasted malt and chocolate flavors and a 9.1% alcohol content.
    Posted by Black Bart a 31 year old Die-hard Enthusiast riding a Sugar+ and a Schwinn Cruiser Seven from Santa Monica on 06/03/04

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  • Re: Best Beer V
    http://www.arrogantbastard.com/animated/index.html
    Posted by Mytrustysteed on 06/14/04

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    • Re: Best Beer V
      that is HOT!
      Posted by Macrider a 37 year old Die-hard Enthusiast riding a Turner RFX, XCE & Trek Bruiser 2 from LA on 06/14/04

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  • Re: Best Beer V
    Best Beer I hit the boards. "Silly people. Beer is just a drink, not a religion." ...or so I thought.

    Best Beer II, III, IV went by. "Okay, so this is getting ridiculous." GAL, beerheads...

    Best Beer V arrives. "Well, maybe I'll have to do a little research, see what all the fuss is about."

    Now, this is what my extra fridge in the garage looks like:


    Current stock: Chimay Red Ale, Sierra Nevada Summerfest Lager, Sierra Nevada Pale Ale, Buffalo Bill's Orange Blossom Cream Ale, Bass Ale, Blue Moon Belgian White Ale, Red Hook ESB, Pacifico, Pete's Strawberry Blonde, Pete's Wicked Ale, Stone IPA, Stone Pale Ale.

    Conspicuously absent: Celebrator Dopplebock, my current fave. (I get home from BevMo and it mysteriously disappears in front of my eyes!)

    Life used to be so simple: triple espresso in the morning, triple espresso after lunch, a Pacifico or two on the weekend, occasional margarita with a nice Mexi meal.

    Now, I find myself daydreaming at work... imagining the taste of a full-flavored ale running down my throat ...sniffing the fine chocolatey aroma of my favorite dopplebock ...imagining it swirling around in my mouth after that first sip...

    I hate you all!!!
    Posted by VLander a 45 year old riding a 5* from Viejoland on 06/14/04

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    • Re: Best Beer V
      Ahh hah , I got you back for giving me a sickness too, the MHC. Some how I think you still won.

      4 0f 10 and counting.

      Eric AKA Blow Bijou
      Posted by Softy on 06/14/04

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    • Re: Best Beer V
      THere's way too many non-alcoholic beverages in there.
      Posted by ReFleXx on 06/15/04

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    • Re: Best Beer V
      Welcome to the dark side.
      Posted by El Jefe on 06/15/04

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    • Re: Best Beer V
      Hey VLander, care to make a side wager on the SSDoP? That bottle of Chimay is looking pretty tasty....
      Posted by El Jefe on 06/15/04

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    • Re: Best Beer V
      Dear Sir,

      Please remove the Mexican piss-beer from the rear corner of the top shelf in your fridge ASAP. There is danger in that it may suck all flavor from your other, much more superior, beers.

      Thank you,
      The Hop Police
      Posted by GC on 06/16/04

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      • Re: Best Beer V
        (not defending Pacifico) but with Mexican food? I do like XX Amber or Negro Modelo....

        mmmmm, Carnitas at Sabrosso and a couple of cold XX on tap...soooo good!
        Posted by Macrider a 37 year old Die-hard Enthusiast riding a Turner RFX, XCE & Trek Bruiser 2 from LA on 06/16/04

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  • Re: Best Beer V
    I was in AZ over the weekend and payed a visit to the Rio Salado Brewery.

    Every Saturday at 1pm, president and brewmaster Tim Gossack, former brewmaster at Deschutes Brewery in Bend, Oregon, leads a brewery tour and tasting. This guy really knows his stuff when it comes to the history of beer and how it's made, much more informative (and tastier) than some Budweiser brewery tour. In addition to being an owner/brewer, he is also a judge for the Great American Beer Festival and the World Beer Cup.

    The tour and samples are free (8 kinds last weekend) as long as it's your first tour, or you bring someone new. Happy hour (no food served) 'til 6, open until 11 on most nights.

    Minutes from South Mountain, so you can work it into a riding weekend!
    (I also understand Tim sponsors some MTB racers)
    Posted by Black Bart a 31 year old Die-hard Enthusiast riding a Heley&Weber sling and a Schwinn Cruiser Seven from Santa Monica on 06/15/04

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    • Re: Best Beer V
      Road Trip! Oh wait, it's June. Nevermind. We'd have to start riding at 5:30 a.m.
      Posted by Endo Verendo riding a Pushed 4-Spot from The Valley on 06/15/04

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      • Re: Best Beer V
        Well, starting at 5:30 a.m. would give you 7.5 hours of riding before the brewery opens, sounds about right to me... :)

        Or, just keep it in mind for the fall.
        Posted by Black Bart a 31 year old Die-hard Enthusiast riding a Heley&Weber sling and a Schwinn Cruiser Seven from Santa Monica on 06/16/04

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        • Re: Best Beer V
          Is that when you'll be recovered enough to ride again? ;-)
          Posted by Endo Verendo riding a Pushed 4-Spot from The Valley on 06/16/04

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          • Re: Best Beer V
            speaking of recovered enough - I'm hurting this morning!

            Father's Office last night - started with "Horny Devil" - 10.8%! - VERY tasty Belgian-style tripple! - moved on to Merdasous 8% - also quite good, slight hint of chocolate - enjoyed it with the burger & fries (still the best burger around - no ketchup, thanks). Then a Chimay (it's on tap! how can you resist?) - and finished up with somebody's "White Sage" beer - delicious! actually brewed with white sage - it should be the official beer of the Santa Monicas since it smells like the chaparal after it rains....so tasty
            but man that combo of strong beers is hurting this morning!
            Posted by Macrider a 37 year old Die-hard Enthusiast riding a Turner RFX, XCE & Trek Bruiser 2 from LA on 06/17/04

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            • Re: Best Beer V
              Chimay on tap... hmmm, do they agitate the keg to incorporate the yeast sediment, or is that all blown out in the first few pours? Part of the appeal of Chimay for me is the yeast.

              You know what? I should investigate this myself.... :-)
              Posted by El Jefe on 06/17/04

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              • Re: Best Beer V
                Please apply for a 310 pass ASAP.;-)
                Thank you have a good day.
                Paz Afuera
                Posted by Papisimo on 06/17/04

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              • Re: Best Beer V
                I have a yeast infection, can you investigate that for me, pretty please.
                Posted by Adri Anne on 06/17/04

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                • Re: Best Beer V
                  LOL. I had a girlfriend who got yeast infections from drinking too much Widmer Hefewiezen. Take some acidophilus!
                  Posted by Endo Verendo riding a Pushed 4-Spot from The Valley on 06/17/04

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              • Re: Best Beer V
                it's good, that's all I know

                yes, investigate at will - but leave the ketchup in the OC...

                I think the white sage was from Pasadena - if it was this, no wonder I was toasted - another tripple in disguise!

                http://www.worldofbeer.com/totm/totm-200103.html
                Posted by Macrider a 37 year old Die-hard Enthusiast riding a Turner RFX, XCE & Trek Bruiser 2 from LA on 06/17/04

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                • Re: Best Beer V
                  Whoa. FO visit needs to happen soon!
                  Posted by El Jefe on 06/17/04

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                • Re: Best Beer V
                  They defenitely changed the formula for Tripple White Sage. I used to get it all the time at FO then you couldn't find it anywhere for a while. Now there's something 'dull' about it and not as good as it used to be.
                  Posted by Endo Verendo riding a Pushed 4-Spot from The Valley on 06/17/04

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                  • Re: Best Beer V
                    I thought it was great - of course, after having the other three first, I would have thought one of Wadsworth's "Tall Boys" were great!

                    it had a nice spice to it & the aroma of sage was really distinct...this was my first tasting though, so I have no basis of comparison
                    Posted by Macrider a 37 year old Die-hard Enthusiast riding a Turner RFX, XCE & Trek Bruiser 2 from LA on 06/17/04

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  • Re: Best Beer V
    Two things:




    Posted by EBasil riding a Manitou HT from San Diego on 06/16/04

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    • Re: Best Beer V
      second thing:



      Released Monday, got mine today.
      Posted by EBasil riding a Manitou HT from San Diego on 06/16/04

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      • Re: Best Beer V
        Looks like I'm gonna have to get drunk again tonight....damn.
        Posted by El Jefe on 06/16/04

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      • Re: Best Beer V
        DAMN! I gotta get over to Bristol Farms & buy all they got!

        It's one of my favorites!
        Posted by Macrider a 37 year old Die-hard Enthusiast riding a Turner RFX, XCE & Trek Bruiser 2 from LA on 06/16/04

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        • Re: Best Beer V
          I have 3 Vertical Epic bottles sitting in my cupboard (2 are for you). Where you riding on Saturday?
          Posted by El Jefe on 06/16/04

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          • Re: Best Beer V
            probably rock climbing with the girl...save those Epics for me!
            Posted by Macrider a 37 year old Die-hard Enthusiast riding a Turner RFX, XCE & Trek Bruiser 2 from LA on 06/16/04

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            • Re: Best Beer V
              Every week they sit in my cupboard, one more has the potential to disappear....I don't know that yours will make it. Sorry brah. ;-)
              Posted by El Jefe on 06/16/04

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              • Re: Best Beer V
                NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! THEY'RE TOO YOUNG TO DIE!!!!!!!!!
                Posted by Macrider a 37 year old Die-hard Enthusiast riding a Turner RFX, XCE & Trek Bruiser 2 from LA on 06/16/04

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  • Re: Best Beer V
    I introduced Sgt Brown to Guinness this weekend. He liked it. I've done my good deed for the month. Thank you, that is all.
    Posted by El Jefe on 06/21/04

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    • Re: Best Beer V
      Certainly a good turn.

      About a month ago, I was out with buddies, wives and girlfriends for a dinner/drinkin/dancin night and knew my fizzy-beer buddies would try to make me exceed a reputed 2-beer limit, so I used preemptive strategy and bought the first round...of Black & Tans, which we stuck with all night. Worked out well, and they liked 'em.

      Friday, at a beer-tasting party, one of them mentioned that now he orders black-n-tans or Guiness at bars with his work buddies, because "it's like a meal in a glass". (Reminded me of an ad campaign, I think.) Mission 1, accomplished.

      Posted by EBasil riding a Manitou HT from San Diego on 06/21/04

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      • Re: Best Beer V
        I love hearing people say "Oh no, I don't like Guinness, it's too thick." I then ask if they've ever tried it. "No, but it just looks thick..." Then they sip the tasty brew, and most often come away saying "wow, that's not nearly what I thought it would be..." followed often by "that's pretty good." OK, sometimes they hand it back and cringe, and sometimes they like it so much that they run away with my beer and I have to go get another. I am an ambassador for the nation of Guinness.
        Posted by El Jefe on 06/21/04

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        • Re: Best Beer V
          it's got so much more flavor in Ireland & Great Britain - why is that? - do they make it different for export to the US?
          Posted by Macrider a 37 year old Die-hard Enthusiast riding a Turner RFX, XCE & Trek Bruiser 2 from LA on 06/21/04

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          • Re: Best Beer V
            Guinness is brewed multiple places in the world now, and I'm not sure where the Guinness we drink here is brewed...could just be that transport and storage makes it less yummy.

            Oh yeah, speaking of Guinness brewery, it reminds me of a story:

            An Accident at the Guinness Brewery Mary O'Malley is home making dinner, as usual, when Patrick Finnegan arrives at her door. "Mary, may I come in?" he asks. "I've sometin' to tell ya."

            "Of course you can come in, you're always welcome, Patrick. But where's me husband?"

            "That's what I'm here to be tellin' ya, Mary. There was an accident down at the Guinness brewery..."

            "Oh, God no!" cries Mary. "Please don't tell me..."

            "I must, Mary. Your husband Shamus is dead and gone. I'm sorry."

            Finally, she looked up at Patrick. "How did it happen, Patrick?"

            "It was terrible, Mary. He fell into a vat of Guinness Stout and drowned."

            "Oh dear Jesus! But you must tell me true, Patrick. Did he go quickly?"

            "Well, I'm afraid no Mary, ... they say he got out three times to pee."

            Posted by El Jefe on 06/21/04

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        • Re: Best Beer V
          That's virtually EXACTLY how it goes for me, too. Well, except that nobody gets away with my beer. I may be decrepit, but I have very developed forearms.
          Posted by EBasil riding a beerwagon to hades from San Diego on 06/21/04

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          • Re: Best Beer V
            I drink for free, so it's ok when people run off with it. I mean, it is better to give a pint and create a fan for life, than to horde my (free) pint and lose the chance at converting someone to the "dark side."

            I'll ignore the developed forearms statement....for now.
            Posted by El Jefe on 06/21/04

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    • Re: Best Beer V
      Did Fathers Day with the family down at Sea World where they serve free Anheiser Busch samples. Tried their version of Guiness, nitrogen charged even. I'm sure you can all guess what it tasted like. Needless to say I had to wash it down with some Michelob Ultra.
      Posted by Endo Verendo riding a Pushed 4-Spot from The Valley on 06/21/04

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      • Re: Best Beer V
        "Michelob Ultra." How extremely lame.

        Posted by SheRides on 06/21/04

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        • Re: Best Beer V
          so it's your favorite beer, right Lane?

          are you also dressing up as a girl? along with pretending to be one with your handle Matt/Ghost/etc. etc. etc. ad nauseum....?
          Posted by Macrider a 37 year old Die-hard Enthusiast riding a Turner RFX, XCE & Trek Bruiser 2 from LA on 06/21/04

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        • Re: Best Beer V
          ""Michelob Ultra." How extremely lame."

          Yes, thanks for re-stating my obvious point.
          Posted by Endo Verendo riding a Pushed 4-Spot from The Valley on 06/21/04

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      • Re: Best Beer V
        We went through that desperate "Beer School" just once...and it was so dumbed down and bland that it wasn't worth the free minibuzz. Hey, but how's a guy to know unless he checks it out?

        Posted by EBasil riding a trike on the highway to hell from San Diego on 06/21/04

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        • Re: Best Beer V
          Well, since it was a family trip I had to down as many samples as I possibly could and get my buzz on quick.
          Posted by Endo Verendo riding a Pushed 4-Spot from The Valley on 06/21/04

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        • Re: Best Beer V
          New "Beer School" in San Diego County:

          Stone plans $10 million brewery in Escondido

          By David Washburn
          UNION-TRIBUNE STAFF WRITER
          June 22, 2004

          Stone Brewing Co. announced plans yesterday to build a $10 million brewery in Escondido's new business park.

          The 50,000-square-foot facility, scheduled to open late next year in the Escondido Research and Technology Center, will make it possible for the brewery to produce six times as much beer as it does now, said Stone co-founder and CEO Greg Koch.

          Known for its Arrogant Bastard Ale, Stone is the largest brewery in San Diego with an output of 34,000 barrels a year. With its new facility, the company will have the capacity for more than 200,000 barrels a year.

          But Koch, who announced the company's plans at a news conference with Escondido city leaders, said he is in no rush to meet that goal.

          "Growing to 200,000 is not important," he said. "Continuing to brew beer that meets our standards is what dictates the growth."

          Koch also wants the brewery to be more accessible to beer lovers. The current San Marcos location is only open to the public for a few hours on the weekends, and visitors must dodge forklifts on their tours.

          The new brewery will offer tours and tastings six days a week and may also serve food.

          "We are expecting to become a leading tourist destination in North County," Koch said.


          Posted by SheRides on 06/22/04

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          • Re: Best Beer V
            Best news all week!
            Posted by Macrider a 37 year old Die-hard Enthusiast riding a Turner RFX, XCE & Trek Bruiser 2 from LA on 06/22/04

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            • Re: Best Beer V
              Darn, still too far away. And not even on my way down to SD.
              Posted by Endo Verendo riding a Pushed 4-Spot from The Valley on 06/22/04

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              • Re: Best Beer V
                A quick left on the I-78, roll across to the brewery, then a right turn on southbound I-15 to San Diego, proper.

                If these guys get a brewpub license, it could be deadly.
                Posted by EBasil riding a Manitou HT from San Diego on 06/22/04

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          • Re: Best Beer V
            I now have wood.
            Posted by El Jefe on 06/22/04

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          • Re: Best Beer V
            "...the founders of Stone have put the word out to other microbrewers that the 26,500-square-foot space off of Rancheros Drive, along with all the equipment, will soon be up for grabs."

            Along with all the equipment.

            Okay, three things:

            1) who's gonna step up and go hardcore with the homebrewing?
            2) will another brewer locate in San Marcos?
            3) don't sweat it...Stone's transferring operations to all new equipment when they move, so there's no downtime.

            Posted by EBasil riding a Russian Imperial Stout buzz from San Diego on 07/06/04

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            • Re: Best Beer V
              "...the founders of Stone have put the word out to other microbrewers that the 26,500-square-foot space off of Rancheros Drive, along with all the equipment, will soon be up for grabs."

              I'm going to commit this sentence to memory, and shout it while touching myself.
              Posted by El Jefe a 35 year old riding a Santa Cruz V10 and Blur, Kona Stinky, and a SS Kona Cowan from Trabuco Canyon on 07/06/04

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  • Re: Best Beer V
    EBasil wants to talk about Belgian beers in a separate thread. Come on EBas, stay focused.
    Posted by El Jefe from a bar near you on 06/23/04

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    • Re: Best Beer V
      What I meant to say was...

      Old habits die hard: my favorite of all the Belgian ales I love is still Orval, a Trappist ale.

      In my "screw around on the net for lunch" break, I decided to see if there were an Orval cycling jersey about... no luck.

      But, check THIS out for beer access: http://www.belgianshop.com/shop/

      Posted by EBasil riding a Manitou HT from San Diego on 06/23/04

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      • Re: Best Beer V
        There's nothing like Lucifer Belgian Ale..

        I will continue to boost the hell out of this beer....It rocks...!!!!!!
        Posted by CrzyRidr3 a 32 year old riding a SantaBansheeCruzScreamBlurr on 06/23/04

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  • Re: Best Beer V
    Last night I had a "Barley Wine Style" ale from Avery Brewing, Boulder, Colorado called Hog Heaven Barley Wine. It comes in at 9.2% ABV. The head was off-white, and very lacy and pronounced for a barley wine. While the label says it has 100+ IBU, it was mostly in the nose and on the front of the sip, with no follow-through or lasting hop impression to balance out the very sweet, malty, somewhat raisin-like taste of the deep amber liquid. The sweetness masked the alcohol taste, and really made this all too drinkable, as I polished off the 22oz bottle in about 10 minutes. I really think they mislabled this beer. It has more character of a rich amber ale with a muthafukka of a punch than a classic barleywine, but I'll give it a big thumbs up for a fun, drinkable brew.

    I got it at the liquor store in Lake Forest at Lake Forest and Dimension...it's the place that still hase bottles of Vertical Epic chilling in the cooler. :-)
    Posted by El Jefe on 06/24/04

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    • Re: Best Beer V
      sounds good, but not great....

      my beer/wine guy at my LGS (local grocery store) is ordering me a whole case of the Stone Imperial Stout! 12 bottles - ALL FOR MEEEEEEEE! BWAHAHAHAHAHA!
      Posted by Macrider a 37 year old Die-hard Enthusiast riding a Turner RFX, XCE & Trek Bruiser 2 from LA on 06/24/04

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      • Re: Best Beer V
        Sounds like a trade is in order....oh wait, I can get the Imperial Stout anytime I want from Hollingshead's or from the store right down the street from Inkpad's office. I love Stone Brews....I just really really do. My second beer of the night last night was a Stone Smoked Porter. A very very unique tasting Porter, much lighter tasting than most handcrafted porters, but still with a very nice balanced flavor and just a little bit of that Stone hopped finish. I knew it was my last beer of the night, so I took my time with it. My last few sips were at room temp, and it really brought out the roasted malt taste, and got rid of some of the carbonation, making the brew even smoother going down. Very very nice.
        Posted by El Jefe on 06/24/04

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        • Re: Best Beer V
          I finally found my Stone Imperial Stout - bought 4 so far (I'm gonna get a case - you get a discount by the case!) - I think it's my favorite Stone brew (competing with Double Bastard & the Barley Wine)

          damn Stone RULES!
          Posted by Macrider a 37 year old Die-hard Enthusiast riding a Turner RFX, XCE & Trek Bruiser 2 from LA on 07/02/04

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          • Re: Best Beer V
            I have to admit, I really like their lemon wheat beer, though.

            Posted by EBasil riding a Manitou HT with Acera rims from San Diego on 07/02/04

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          • Re: Best Beer V
            Glad to hear. It's the 22 oz early summer 04 release, right? 10.8% or thereabouts. NOW you can have a good 4th!
            Posted by EzyRider2 riding a spot from da beach on 07/02/04

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            • Re: Best Beer V
              yes, that is the one....so tasty! sooooo swerve inducing!

              this weekend was ALL about mojitos - gotta love cachacca (sp?)
              Posted by Macrider a 37 year old Die-hard Enthusiast riding a Turner RFX, XCE & Trek Bruiser 2 from LA on 07/06/04

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              • Re: Best Beer V
                I didn't drink at all this past weekend.




                Also, I haven't crashed in 6 months.

                :-D
                Posted by El Jefe a 35 year old riding a Santa Cruz V10 and Blur, Kona Stinky, and a SS Kona Cowan from Trabuco Canyon on 07/07/04

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            • Re: Best Beer V
              I picked up a whole case of Imperial Stout, and I'm happy to trade some Vertical Epic, or some Old Guardian for a couple bottles of it. Not that it isn't a good solid brew, but I honestly wasn't blown away like I thought I'd be.

              A deep rich color, and deep brown head, but the head was a bit shorter lived than I'd like, and the brew seemed a bit flat as served at 55(ish) degrees, instead of rich and creamy in its carbonation.

              The nose was perfect... bitter chocolate, ripe berries, a touch of coffe/roasted malt, anise, and hops. Smooth mouth feel, but not as heavy and thick as d expected, but still very very nice. In tasting the brew, I was disappointed that the subtle anise, berry and alcohol tones were eclipsed by the hop taste, that, while not unpleasant, masked some of the real genius behind this brew. I think letting this one lay down for a year or so could do it some good.
              Posted by El Jefe on 07/08/04

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              • Re: Best Beer V
                ditto on the lay down, but mine can't be for that long.

                No brew shall be consumed before its time, or when we need more space for meat. Whichever comes first.

                Posted by EBasil riding a Manitou HT from San Diego on 07/08/04

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    • Re: Best Beer V
      So far I've liked most brews from Avery. I drink nothing but Reverends now. (10%: yeoow!).

      Post #235
      Posted by Endo Verendo riding a Pushed 4-Spot from The Valley on 07/09/04

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    Just stopped by the Mattern Deli in Orange. A little 'Choucroute Garni' is in order.
    Posted by Schecky on 06/25/04

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    • Re: Best Beer V
      Spaten OPTINATOR. The name says it all.
      Posted by Softy on 06/26/04

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      It starts to look appetizing, but all the lint just wrecks the mood.

      Let me know when you find some Paulaner Maibock in the bottle...

      Posted by EBasil riding a Manitou HT made from Spaten cans from San Diego on 06/28/04

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      • Re: Best Beer V
        this should be interesting:



        Posted by SheRides on 06/29/04

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          My guess: Big brewery piss purchased at a low rate and labeled for suckers who don't know beer but want to buy it to be cool. Don't waste your taste buds and instead donate directly to the cause, skipping the beer completely.

          Back to your regularly scheduled beer.

          I think I'll go purchase some Stella to accompany dinner...
          Posted by GC on 06/29/04

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  • Re: Best Beer V
    How about we have a 'Best Beer V 300th Post' party when the time comes? Maybe at Fathers Office, Stone Brewing or somewhere in between?
    Posted by Endo Verendo riding a Pushed 4-Spot from The Valley on 07/08/04

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    • Re: Best Beer V
      OK
      Posted by El Jefe on 07/09/04

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      Sounds good
      Posted by El Jefe on 07/09/04

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      So... how many more posts till 300?
      Posted by El Jefe on 07/09/04

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    • Re: Best Beer V
      Are we there yet?

      ;-)
      Posted by El Jefe on 07/09/04

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      • Re: Best Beer V
        This would be #228 and I'm getting thirsty.
        Posted by Endo Verendo riding a Pushed 4-Spot from The Valley on 07/09/04

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        • Re: Best Beer V
          hit FO last night for Jaba's b-day - GOD THOSE BURGERS (and sweet-potato fries) RULE! - Horny Devil started things off & Great White kept the party rolling......
          Posted by Macrider a 37 year old Die-hard Enthusiast riding a Turner RFX, XCE & Trek Bruiser 2 from LA on 07/09/04

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          • Re: Best Beer V
            I was a bit buzzed...off of 4 beers last night and I can't understand why....I polished off 2 Stone Imperial Stouts, and 2 Guinness.

            Hmmmmm.

            :-D
            Posted by El Jefe on 07/09/04

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            • Re: Best Beer V
              #230

              I'm havin' two shots of Corazon Anejo, and a pint of Lucifer...in exactly 2 hours...
              Posted by CrzyRidr3 a 32 year old riding a SantaBansheeCruzScreamBlurr on 07/09/04

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              • Re: Best Beer V
                I love Corazon. Very clean.

                BTW-I'm headed to the river this weekend. Copius amounts of Jagermeister shall be consumed, as well as a couple dozen beers per day. Cheers!
                Posted by El Jefe on 07/09/04

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                • Re: Best Beer V
                  Kern?

                  Have fun, either way...


                  Drink a shot of Jager for me...
                  Posted by CrzyRidr3 a 32 year old riding a SantaBansheeCruzScreamBlurr on 07/09/04

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                  • Re: Best Beer V
                    Colorado...Parker, AZ. The Kern is for people who can't handle the big engines, right Mac? ;-)
                    Posted by El Jefe on 07/09/04

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                    • Re: Best Beer V
                      NICE!!! Love Parker..
                      Was at Havasu a few weeks back...love the SandBar...!!! :-)
                      Posted by CrzyRidr3 a 32 year old riding a SantaBansheeCruzScreamBlurr on 07/09/04

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                        Things were quite good and swervy this weekend at Parker. It's great staying at a house in the keys where all of us are bartenders...."here, try this!" "OK, how about this?" OK, shot time for everyone!" Sheesh..I need 2 livers.
                        Posted by El Jefe on 07/12/04

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                      engines are for people who can't handle whitewater....right Jiffy Pop?

                      and my swerve was large & in charge yesterday - good thing my girl's old enough to drive now! ;-)
                      Posted by Macrider a 37 year old Die-hard Enthusiast riding a Turner RFX, XCE & Trek Bruiser 2 from LA on 07/12/04

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      • Re: Best Beer V

        I'll help move this thing along (#241).

        I may have to change my handle to BevMoHo at this point. Dropped by the holy shrine (Beverages and More in Irvine) this evening with EzyRider2, so now I'm prepared for whatever malted mood overcomes me. Current inventory:
        1. Deschutes Black Butte Porter (tonight's first indulgence, mmm...mmm...good)
        2. Deschutes Obsidian Stout (will sample my 1st one tomorrow)
        3. Stone Pale Ale (a great everyday brew)
        4. Stone IPA (for those days I'm feelin' hoppy)
        5. Celebrator Doppelbock (still the most 'gasmic of the bunch)
        6. Spaten Optimator (need to compare to Celebrator -- review to come)
        7. Paulander Salvator Doppelbock (another to compare to the Celebrator)
        8. Pete's Wicked Ale (not up to the Stone Pale Ale level, but a classic)
        9. Pete's Strawberry Blond (keeping it around cuz the chicks seem to like it.)
        10. Redhook ESB (another good one, but overshadowed by other stand-outs)
        11. Blue Moon Belgian White (just okay, bought it when reminiscing about the old Blue Moon -- pre Coors days)
        12. Sierra Nevada Pale Ale ($20 bucks/case@Costco! How can ya pass it up???)
        13. Sierra Nevada Summerfest (Damn good lager; also @Costco for $20/case!)
        14. Orangboom (tried it, didn't like it; who wants it??)
        15. Belgian #1 - Piraat (dessert in a glass!)
        16. Belgian #2 - Bornem Double (need to try it)
        17. Belgian #3 - Bornem Triple (need to try it)
        18. Belgian #4 - Bruegel (need to try it)
        19. Belgian #5 - Gulden Draak (need to try it)
        20. Belgian #6 - Augustijn Trippel (need to... whoops, it's gone now.... smoooooth!)
        21. Pacifico (with chips and guacamole on a blazing hot day, okay???!!)
        So, now we need 59 more...
        Posted by VLander on 07/12/04

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          V-Man, that was pretty classic bumping into each other on the German import aisle!

          Tried both the Moylan's I picked up, highly recommended. The Irish Red was all that (and more) and the Kilt Lifter was perhaps the best beer I have tasted in a long time. Good find along the lines of Stone.

          thinking of a having a tasting party with the rest of the cache.....you in?
          Posted by EzyRider2 riding a full pint glass from arrogant bastard land on 07/12/04

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            I'm all over an inventory analysis symposium (i.e. - tasting party). If this week, could it be held at Chez Boba's Liquid Lounge? (i.e. - our pool and spa area). Reason being: I'm watching the kiddos while me SO visits her mom in the hospital.

            Let me know; I'll try to get Tumbleweed and a few other 949 neighbors to join...
            Posted by VLander on 07/13/04

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        • Re: Best Beer V
          I'm in for the sampling, and I can bring your Dopple. This weekend, or during the week? I'm thinking a lazy Saturday afternoon sounds good.... :-)
          Posted by El Jefe on 07/13/04

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        • Re: Best Beer V
          "BevMoHO" LOL! Much better than VLander.

          So where are we going for the party? Nominations?
          Posted by Endo Verendo riding a Pushed 4-Spot from The Valley on 07/13/04

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        • Re: Best Beer V
          VL, very good advancement on your journey. Young one, keep up the study and when you can snatch the pebbles from my hand...

          GCBY.....I noticed no Mexican crap in that load and a definate up in Belgian beers. Very impressive.

          Tonight is an Old Speckled Hen clone. New Castle without the dark and with a bit more hop bite. Homebrewed of course. For you beer drinkers, the ride and benefit for Switchback Cyclery (Tim's cancer) and Tani at the Path will be August 8th. I will provide beer for free (donate to the cause or I will have my big dog lick you to death).

          Got beer?

          In the words of Jack Black:

          Next.
          Posted by GC riding a A big wheel from Anaslime Hills on 07/13/04

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  • Re: Best Beer V
    I think this is, like, uh, like, totally, you know, like so number 228, know what I'm sayin'?

    I had a Pete's Wicked Ale last night and was reminded what a bummer it has become. Not bad, not stanky, not great. Used to be great back when mah pappy done drank it.
    Posted by EBasil riding a Manitou HT from San Diego on 07/09/04

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  • Re: Best Beer V
    Reason #245 for some people to just go too far:


    Posted by EBasil riding a Manitou HT from San Diego on 07/13/04

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  • Re: Best Beer V
    250!

    What beer goes best with Vicodin?

    Inquiring minds need to know.
    Posted by Schecky on 07/13/04

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    OK, that reply thread was getting a bit too slim. I missed Sharon, but Conan's monologue is pretty funny...of course, the sprinklers coming on right now is pretty funny.....AHHHHH Stone Imperial Stout....
    Posted by El Jefe on 07/14/04

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    Wow, I work all day and come home to find I missed an internet toast. damn.
    Posted by Endo Verendo riding a Pushed 4-Spot from The Valley on 07/15/04

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  • Re: Best Beer V
    Has anyone been to Good Microbrew and Grill in Silverlake?
    Posted by Endo Verendo riding a Pushed 4-Spot from The Valley on 07/18/04

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    • Re: Best Beer V
      no but las tunas in the gabriel valley has a little spot, stuft sandwich. sam has the ulitimate set. vintage everything you want if he likes you. burp, cheers
      Posted by Limpy on 08/06/04

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  • Re: Best Beer V
    What glass do I use when drinking Stone Russian Imperial Stout ?
    Posted by Lamar Odom on 07/20/04

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  • Re: Best Beer V
    I'm sipping a Shiner Bock right now. Why? Is it because it's a great brew? hell no, it's not so great....it's because it's Lance A's favorite.... in honor of his TdF win, I'm sipping a Shiner....Man, I gotta finish this quick and then get Lance hooked on Jager and Stone Brews....
    Posted by El Jefe on 07/26/04

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      I'm drinking Peet's Coffee right now. Why? Is it because it's a great brew? Hells yeah......and it's Lance's favorite. In honor of his TdF win, which was fueled in part by Major Dickasons Blend, I'm sipping some Peet's.
      Posted by Endo Verendo riding a Pushed 4-Spot from The Valley on 07/26/04

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    • Re: Best Beer V
      Jefe and his brahs ???? Beer, like broadzzzzzz, are never worth fighting over.
      Posted by GhostRider on 07/27/04

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        The thing was, those guys had PBR cans on the table, and a CASE of Stone just sitting there. Clearly, it wasn't theirs, so the fellas were just trying to rectify the situatioin. They explained to the guys that it wasn't anything personal, but that they Weren't Worthy.

        Unfortunately, the PBR guys only speak Farsi or arabic, and didn't realize how much they deserved a quick whack in the head with a beer bottle.

        Posted by EBasil riding a Manitou HT actually made from PBR cans from San Diego on 07/27/04

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        Nah, that'd never be me on either side of that confrontation for a number of reasons.

        First, if someone was in need of beer and I had beer, I would give it to them freely...no problem. Next, If I were in dire need of beer, I would not be stealing a case... Since a "case of beer" is typically in reference to a pack of 24, no beer I drink comes as a "case" per se...though I do buy Stone 22oz in a 12 beers per box, which I have referenced as a case..... Anyway, I'd never hit someone over the head with a bottle in a fight....if full, that's a waste of good beer. If empty, you can give them to homeless guys so that they can turn them in for recycling and get money to buy beer.
        Posted by El Jefe on 07/27/04

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    Just sat in a cool little hideaway bar in S'Pore with a find selection of Belgians: started w/ the Chimay Bleu from a bottle -- artfully poured to a bulb glass with 1" of perfect tan foam. Then dined on some Garlic Mussels, accompanied by a Stella Artois from the tap. A tasty fish and chips and seafood croquettes to follow. Finished with the vintage Bordeaux of beers, a Trappistes Rochefort 10, pure fermented heaven.

    Best part of all: fully expense-accounted pleasure, courtesy of "The Company." Not a bad diversion when you've gotta go 2 weeks without a serious MTB fix...

    Good beer rocks. Good FREE beer is even better!
    Posted by VLander riding a pleasant Belgian Buzz from S'Pore on 08/02/04

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    • Re: Best Beer V
      I had a Rochefort 10 a few months ago when I was in Oakland on business. Amazing. Perhaps one of the best beers I've ever tasted.
      Posted by El Jefe on 08/02/04

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    • Re: Best Beer V
      You are an international man of hops, my man. That is HAWT!
      Posted by EzyRider2 riding a spot from da beach on 08/02/04

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  • Re: Best Beer V
    ALESMITH Anvil esb ale. Yummy.
    Posted by OCD on 08/02/04

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    • Re: Best Beer V
      Wittekerke White Belgian Ale in 12oz cans, that's right, cans for under $6 a 6pack at Trader Joes. Quite refreshing.
      Posted by Endo Verendo riding a Pushed 4-Spot from The Valley on 08/02/04

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        Thanks for the tip, good beer in a can! I picked up a sixer last week, worked perfect for throwing in a backpack so I was able to enjoy a tasty brew while watching Blackalicious play the SM pier!

        BTW, tonight is Clarence Clemons. Last Thurs. night show of the summer.
        Posted by Black Bart a 31 year old Die-hard Enthusiast riding a Sugar+ and a Schwinn Cruiser Seven from Santa Monica on 09/02/04

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        • Re: Best Beer V
          Cup of urine a day keeps ailments at bay

          Thu Sep 2,11:11 AM ET


          BANGKOK (AFP) - Drinking urine can eliminate sinus trouble, turn grey hair black and even cure cancer, a Thai academic said, citing a study of local Buddhists who engage in the unorthodox practice.



          Ratree Cheepudomwit, of the Thai Traditional and Alternative Medicine Development Department, said hundreds of urine drinkers attested that consuming a daily cup worked wonders for their overall health and helped slow the ageing process.


          She said that in June she queried 250 members of Santi Asoke, a strict indigenous Buddhist movement believed to have thousands of followers, and 204 respondents said they had learned from ancient Buddhist manucripts that drinking one's urine improved health.


          "Of the respondents, 87 percent confirmed that it had head-to-toe benefits for them, including for example reduction of dandruff, grey hair, sinus problems and cancer," Ratree told AFP.


          The medical elixir was not easy on everyone's system, as about one in 10 urine drinkers suffered diarrhea afterwards, but the practice should not be viewed with disgust, she said.

          Posted by FullSizeBrah a Die-hard Enthusiast riding a Big Bike on 09/02/04

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          • Re: Best Beer V
            Yay, Drudge!

            We don't discuss Coors or Bud here.
            Posted by Black Bart a 31 year old Die-hard Enthusiast riding a Sugar+ and a Schwinn Cruiser Seven from Santa Monica on 09/02/04

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          • Re: Best Beer V
            This is the most gratuitous advertisement for Bud Lite I've ever seen.
            Posted by El Jefe on 09/03/04

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            • Re: Best Beer V
              and Lord knows the "health benefits" couldn't have anything to do with the fact that Buddhist monks eat a very sparse vegi diet...nearly ideal for human health...

              and btw - nearly the EXACT opposite diet from Lil Sgt Windbag....
              Posted by Macrider on 09/03/04

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              • Re: Best Beer V
                Hey, I ate a vegetable once, then she woke up... oh wait, sorry, that was Kill Bill Vol. I...my bad.
                Posted by El Jefe on 09/03/04

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  • Re: Best Beer V
    Wow, this one dropped out of the top 5 for a day. I've been drinking Kona Fire Rock Pale Ale lately on tap at my bar. Pretty refreshing.
    Posted by El Jefe on 08/11/04

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    • Re: Best Beer V
      Kona's Longboard Lager is also an excellent beverage.
      Posted by Surly a 28 year old Die-hard Enthusiast riding a '02 Giant AC from Pasadena on 08/11/04

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    • Re: Best Beer V
      More info on the Kona beer lineup, where it is made, and where to get it. :) Your slackin.

      I am hungover from a 3:00 happy hour yesterday. There is this sandwich shop that has really good subs that you create. They have a great happy hour with a large patio in the sun.

      Then, walked over to my favorite bar of all time, Spikes Place for Taco Tuesdays. 2 Tacos for 2 bucks. Threw a couple Blue Moons back, after that I dont remember. I had more to drink too. I dont remember paying. There has been so many times that I have not remembered paying in that bar, it is sick.

      My point: Beer is good.

      Posted by Lagwagon on 08/11/04

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      • Re: Best Beer V
        so you are pretty much just sitting around drinking and eating and getting fat(er)? THAT'S why you are blowing off gnarly freeriding with super-duper gnarly guys?

        GCBY!
        Posted by Macrider a 37 year old Die-hard Enthusiast riding a Turner RFX, XCE & Trek Bruiser 2 from LA on 08/11/04

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        • Re: Best Beer V
          I have been sitting around and drinking and eating a lot. I just got out of the shower and ready for the day and it is almost 1 oclock! Loser.

          I am starting my new job that weekend you super-duper gnarly freeride punks are making your trip.

          Keep me in mind for your next SB trip, I could meet you there.

          Back to beer. There is nothing like a fresh beer on tap. I had this beer that was made locally, it was a IPA and super hoppy, and fresh. So good when you get a chance to have that.
          Posted by Lagwagon on 08/11/04

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      • Re: Best Beer V
        Umm...start here.

        Kona's Lineup
        Posted by Surly a 28 year old Die-hard Enthusiast riding a '02 Giant AC from Pasadena on 08/11/04

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  • Re: Best Beer V

    Is there still a brewpub in Mammoth Lakes? Wasn't it called Whiskey Creek or something? Any good, lately?
    Posted by EBasil riding a Manitou HT and leaky Fisher Cake from the almost road to Mammoth on 08/11/04

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    • Re: Best Beer V
      Mammoth Brewing I think?
      Posted by Macrider a 37 year old Die-hard Enthusiast riding a Turner RFX, XCE & Trek Bruiser 2 from LA on 08/11/04

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      • Re: Best Beer V
        Yeah--Mammoth Brewing, upstairs in the same building as Whiskey Creek.

        Supposedly Whiskey Creek is for sale--if you've got a cool million lying around.
        Posted by Surly a 28 year old Die-hard Enthusiast riding a '02 Giant AC from Pasadena on 08/11/04

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    • Re: Best Beer V
      Well, Mammoth Brewing's beers are pretty good, but not great. The IPA was fragrant but lacked the zing of a proper IPA. The Amber was beautifully deep amber (one called it "dark" at our table) and well hopped, but with just a touch too much sweet maltiness...they should call it an Alt and be done. The Nut Brown was pretty good.

      That's all I could try, being otherwise dehydrated and altitude-nuked. Along with those 3, I have 5 pints of water (total 8 pints consumed) and still didn't pee for 3 more hours.

      Posted by EBasil riding a Manitou HT from San Diego on 08/17/04

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  • Re: Best Beer V
    I had a couple Boddington's last night. It wasn't my first choice, or even second or third, but the roomie bought it for me, so I drank it. Great mouth feel and a real smooth brew, just not a lot of umph in the flavor department.
    Posted by El Jefe on 08/13/04

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    • Re: Best Beer V
      Bod's is one the best " canned " beers ever.
      Posted by OCD on 08/13/04

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      • Re: Best Beer V
        BTW- Hi Eric! Why the name change?
        Posted by El Jefe on 08/13/04

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        • Re: Best Beer V
          Now as a darkside rider ,a friend described my downward spriral as obsessive. The old handle wasn't right was it? Never felt like it described me to well.

          Like HLD is not right. Those talking crap can't even attempt half the stuff you stack on. Now El Jefe is you off the bike too. Thats a good one.

          Oh yeah I'm drinking Stone pale ale 5.4%. Very tatey with chocolate chip cookies.
          Posted by OCD on 08/14/04

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    • Re: Best Beer V
      Speaking of beer, my house for the benefit ride, biatches.

      Free beer on the house and a good selection right now. All I ask is that you bring a potluck item and some cash to donate to our friends.

      Chocolate stout, dry stout, rye IPA, IPA, Old Speckled Hen clone, cream ale...I think there are 70 gals on tap for the event...

      Party on, Wayne.

      Boddington's: Smooth as water and the same taste. Great stuff for Irish Car Bombs.
      Posted by GC on 08/13/04

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  • Re: Best Beer V


    Got mine. Smooth and mild. Frankly, this is probably the most accessible of all Stones, for the UnWorthy.

    Posted by EBasil riding a Manitou HT from San Diego on 08/19/04

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    • Re: Best Beer V
      Cracked a few more, and one of the Generally Worthy finds this one to be "strong and heavy"... and more extreme than the standard Pale. She has a point: it's very malty and fairly high octane.

      So, it's the least hoppy. Let's call it that. Oh, and push this back up top.
      Posted by EBasil on 08/30/04

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  • What bike should I get?

    Posted by The real fatcat riding a 04 Bullit w/ barends on 08/19/04

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  • Re: Best Beer V
    My neighbor juyst arrived back from a week in New York City (land of good salsa) and brought me a sixer of DG Yuengling & Son's Premium Ale. I haven't seen a Yeungling in Calif in quite a while (who knows, it may be at TJ's), so it was pretty cool.

    http://www.yuengling.com/beers.htm

    It's cross-continental pollination.
    Posted by EBasil riding a Manitou HT from the thread that doesn't die from soup on 08/20/04

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    • Re: Best Beer V
      Do you have Philly's Best in your area? It's a cheesesteak shop where all ingredients are flown in from Philly. The only place that makes an authentic cheesesteak like the ones I used to get when I lived in Philadelphia. Anyway, Philly's Best serves Yuengling beers.
      Posted by El Jefe a 35 year old riding a Santa Cruz V10 and a Blur from Trabuco Canyon on 08/20/04

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      • Paging Zardox
        nice ride
        Posted by The real fatcat on 08/20/04

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      • Re: Best Beer V
        Just getting the thread back to normal...

        Posted by CrzyRidr3 a 33 year old riding a SantaBansheeCruzScreamBlurr on 08/20/04

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        • Re: Best Beer V
          There's NOTHING "normal" about this place. Please re-post.
          Posted by Big on 08/20/04

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          • Re: Best Beer V
            Just getting this thread back to insanity

            Posted by CrzyRidr3 a 33 year old riding a SantaBansheeCruzScreamBlurr on 08/20/04

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          • Re: Best Beer V

            Posted by Chainsaw on 08/20/04

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            • Re: Best Beer V
              Yes sir.
              Posted by CrzyRidr3 a 33 year old riding a SantaBansheeCruzScreamBlurr on 08/20/04

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            • Re: Best Beer V
              THAT IS SO HOT GUS!!! I don't need...to sell my soul....he's already in me....
              Posted by Macrider on 08/20/04

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            • Re: Best Beer V
              Good image. Not Lucifer ale from Belgium, though?

              Looks like it'd make an even better jersey than Stone...
              Posted by EBasil riding a Manitou HT from San Diego on 08/20/04

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            • Re: Best Beer V
              I need this.
              Posted by El Jefe a 35 year old riding a Santa Cruz V10 and a Blur from Trabuco Canyon on 08/23/04

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              • Re: Best Beer V
                I think it's just beer art. I took a quick spin around the 'net after seeing it last week and can't find any evidence of the lager product shown. I guess the poster would be good, itself.
                Posted by EBasil riding a Manitou HT from San Diego on 08/23/04

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                • Re: Best Beer V
                  It's actually called Lucifer Ale...

                  Posted by CrzyRidr3 a 33 year old riding a SantaBansheeCruzScreamBlurr on 08/23/04

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                  • Re: Best Beer V
                    Yeah, the Ale is pretty easily acquired, and good. It's not the product in the art/poster above, though.
                    Posted by EBasil riding a Manitou HT from San Diego on 08/23/04

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                    • Re: Best Beer V
                      Yup, never seen a 666 bottle before....Although I'd try it...for sure!!!
                      Posted by CrzyRidr3 a 33 year old riding a SantaBansheeCruzScreamBlurr on 08/23/04

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                      • Re: Best Beer V
                        Results of last week's blind beer tasting are in; our esteemed panel has concluded that Unibroue's 'Maudite' should receive the gold, with silver going to Rouge's Dead Guy Ale, and a Bronze to Kona's Fire Rock Pale Ale. That was one fun night!!All Hail the Maudite ^m^
                        Posted by EzyRider2 riding a cold one from somewhere warm on 08/24/04

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                        • Re: Best Beer V
                          what were all the beers you were tasting?

                          I do like that Maudite...

                          does anybody know if Craftsman White Sage is available in bottles anywhere? I LOVE that beer & the only place I know they have it is Father's Office (not that that is TOO much of a bad thing....)
                          Posted by Macrider on 08/24/04

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                          • Re: Best Beer V
                            Here is the line up(in order of apperance):

                            Bud Light (Yes, bud light!)
                            Samual Adams Light
                            RedHook ESB
                            Kona Fire Rock PA
                            Deschutes Quail Springs PA
                            Stone PA
                            Rouge Dead Guy
                            Moylan's Kilt Lifter
                            Unibroue Maudite
                            Stone Imperial Stout
                            North Coast Old Rasputin Stout
                            Spaten Optimator

                            Interestingly, everyone noticed a metallic aftertaste in the Stone Pale Ale. Not interestingly, Bud Light was voted as 'tasteless' and 'weak'.

                            I really have to check out that 'Father's Office' place, sounds like the serious hop juice is served there.
                            Posted by EzyRider2 riding a cold one from a warm place on 08/26/04

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                            • Re: Best Beer V
                              There were a few brews with a really metallic aftertaste. I think Bev Mo must not store their brews properly, and likely orders too much stock and doesn't keep it fresh.
                              Posted by El Jefe on 08/26/04

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                            • Re: Best Beer V
                              But their burgers suck....


                              ; )
                              Posted by CrzyRidr3 a 33 year old riding a SantaBansheeCruzScreamBlurr on 08/26/04

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                              • Re: Best Beer V
                                I'm good at something. I'm sure I am. I just need to figure out what.

                                It's good you've found your calling. Now if only we can keep all phone booths away from you, you'd be so smooth... And stairs. We need to keep small chunks of stairs out of your way, too. Especially ones leading from under construction banks. And those parking lot curbs, we need to keep those out of your way, too.

                                Posted by Big a Cross-Country on 08/26/04

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                                • Re: Best Beer V
                                  That is so 02'...
                                  Posted by CrzyRidr3 a 33 year old riding a SantaBansheeCruzScreamBlurr on 08/26/04

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                                  • Re: Best Beer V
                                    Actually, isn't it more 03: here. Coors and Coors light are my fav american beers...just trying to get this thread back on track.
                                    Posted by Big on 08/26/04

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      • Re: Best Beer V


        Mmmmm.... cheez whiz on beef!

        Posted by ZG a 34 year old Weekend Warrior riding a XRCFEX, Etc. from Studio City on 08/24/04

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  • Re: Best Beer V
    .
    Posted by The real fatcat on 08/20/04

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    Posted by The real fatcat on 08/20/04

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  • Re: Best Beer III
    ,
    Posted by The real fatcat on 08/20/04

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  • Re: Best Beer V
    Have I just been to distracted by the contents of the bottle? Or is this little silk screen on the bottle new?


    Posted by Black Bart a 31 year old Die-hard Enthusiast riding a Sugar+ and a Schwinn Cruiser Seven from Santa Monica on 08/23/04

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    • Re: Best Beer V
      *too
      Posted by Black Bart a 31 year old Die-hard Enthusiast riding a Sugar+ and a Schwinn Cruiser Seven from Santa Monica on 08/23/04

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  • Re: Best Beer V
    Not good to have this thread drop out of the top 5.

    Let's see, what did I have in SLO? Lag, please report back on all the delicious libations we consumed in SLO (at least try to remember...I know it gets fuzzy after a while.)
    Posted by El Jefe on 08/30/04

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    • Re: Best Beer V
      Stone Levitation was on my list this weekend...

      Also had a couple shots of 1921 anejo tequila.

      That's some good shiaat...
      Posted by CrzyRidr3 a 33 year old riding a SantaBansheeCruzScreamBlurr on 08/30/04

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      • Re: Best Beer V
        Black out time?
        Posted by Papisimo on 08/30/04

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        • Re: Best Beer V
          No way mang...

          One or two shots of that stuff is pretty mellow...

          Add a couple more........then we got issues..

          ; )
          Posted by CrzyRidr3 a 33 year old riding a SantaBansheeCruzScreamBlurr on 08/30/04

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          • Re: Best Beer V
            2 shots of Patron and 4 beers= dark periods in life..... thank god for menudo.
            Paz Afuera
            Posted by Papisimo on 08/30/04

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            • Re: Best Beer V
              HA!

              LOL!!

              I've had some bad experiences with menudo after a long night of drinking...

              ; )
              Posted by CrzyRidr3 a 33 year old riding a SantaBansheeCruzScreamBlurr on 08/30/04

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    • Re: Best Beer V
      We had that killer local IPA sold exclusively at Spikes. It was good n' hoppy, and the bartender referred to it as 'da kine'. You were not a huge fan of it. It was full of hops, almost like Mary-J in liquid form. :) I have had every time I go there, or when they have it.

      Fat Wiesel Ale (local), Carmel Wheat (Monterrey Bay), Boonville IPA (Oregon), Black Hart Irish Style Dry Stout (Fort Bragg, North Coast Brewing Co), Eye of the Hawk Reserve (Mendocino Brewing Co, Specail Edition), a few beers from Paso Robles, and some more locally brewed.

      Although we didnt have it, but we came close to buying that 80 dollar bottle of Stone Brew. How many liters was it and what kind?

      You left behind two pairs of shoes btw. Riding shoes and black shoes. Dude, they are stinkin' up my barn!
      Posted by Lagwagon on 09/05/04

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      • Re: Best Beer V
        Brah, I was wondering what happened to my Circa shoes.

        I thought we were going to buy the big bottle of Chimay... I think we may have to take that one down in October. Oh...hell yeah.
        Posted by El Jefe on 09/07/04

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  • Re: Best Beer V
    I joined the NorCal invasion and headed up to Monterey this weekend with la Familia and the bike.
    Made it in to Pacific Grove - 55° and misty - Sweet!
    We got in to town late, so I went to grab a pizza.
    On the way back I hit a liquor store for some soda and decided to peruse the beer selection.
    A decent collection was laid out in the case.
    I scanned to see what was available: Newcastle, Sierra Nevada, some German brews, etc.
    Stone...Stone?, Hey!
    Imperial Stout, Smoked Porter, Ruination IPA, AB ale. Hella cool!
    I like this store! The drive back was a little happier.
    The next day, we were leaving the Aquarium and I stopped in the Monterey bike store for some advice on local trails.
    I finally left, walked down the stairs and joined the family on the street.
    My daughter said: 'What took you so long?'
    My son's response: 'All Daddy cares about is bicycles and beer!'
    Gotta train 'em young!
    Posted by Schecky on 09/03/04

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    • Re: Best Beer V
      You have a very smart boy.

      Excellent job.
      Posted by CrzyRidr3 a 33 year old riding a SantaBansheeCruzScreamBlurr on 09/03/04

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    • Re: Best Beer V
      That's one of the most beautiful stories I've ever read. I thought taking my daughter to the moto track Friday evening and having her ride around on her bmx bike and then ask me to buy her a moto was pretty special; but to combine bikes, Stone brew and family all in one tale really tugs at the heart-strings. :-D
      Posted by El Jefe on 09/06/04

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      • Re: Best Beer V
        Someday in the future.....
        My son and I will get done with a full day of biking.
        We'll get out of the family truckster and I'll share a Stone with him.
        "I remember when a guy on the internet shared a Stone beer with me. Boy, I thought that was the best thing ever..."
        "Good talk, Russ. Don't let your mom catch you with beer on your breath."
        Posted by Schecky on 09/08/04

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  • Re: Best Beer V
    Fellow 949 BevMoHo's -

    New store in Laguna Niguel is offering $10 off coupons in the LA Times (OC Edition) on purchases of $30 or more THIS WEEKEND ONLY!!!

    Unfortunately, by the time any of you see this, I will have already cleaned out the house supply of Belgians, Celebrator Doppelbock, various pale ales, and all forms of Deschutes and Unibroue with my 2,422 coupons clipped from all the papers I could buy at every newsstand in South OC...

    Posted by VLander a 45 year old riding a fridge full o' suds from Viejoland on 09/03/04

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    Posted by Gusitar on 09/05/04

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  • Re: Best Beer V
    What the hell is going on around here? This thread slowing down.
    Due to the excessive heat, I am gonna crack open some of the New Belgian's finest I had stashed away.
    Paz Afuera
    Posted by Papisimo on 09/11/04

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    • Re: Best Beer V
      Any body who posts on a w/e needs to desparatly to GAL!!! Im on the duty gourding Amerika protecting you from terrorists and Democrats, what's excuse is yours?
      Posted by Mtnbkbug on 09/11/04

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    • Re: Best Beer V
      I bought a sixer of Fat Tire this weekend in Tahoe. I got through 2 of them all weekend... I've lost my taste for the pseudo-hopped Fat Tire. It just seemed weak compared to a Stone, or even other solid pale ales. Just my 2 cents.
      Posted by El Jefe a 35 year old riding a V10 and a Blur from Trabuco Canyon on 09/13/04

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      • Re: Best Beer V
        I hear what ya saying Jefe. I must admit, since New Belgian started distributing their beers outside CO, I have noticed they don't taste nearly as good as when I was going to school in Ft. Collins. I don't know if it's just the freshness that made it taste so damn good. They have changed the bottles from the traditional bomber to what we see today. I don't know if they have the same brewery. When I was there they had just moved from a really small building to a brand new warehouse. Now... I don't know.
        But cracking a Fat Tire or any New Belgian is a good thing. It does bring back a lot of good memories from ColoColo, like how I gained 25lbs drinking that stuff night and day. Lots and lots of "Smart Kegs" and ...... the ol' Kegorator.
        *sigh*
        Paz Afuera
        Posted by Papisimo on 09/13/04

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  • Re: Best Beer V
    It's beer tasting time again. It's my turn to host, and unless major objections are raised, I'm looking at Tuesday the 21st, or Tuesday the 28th as our tasting date. Those interested, Email your preference on the date.

    This month, I'll ask everyone to bring 2 or 3 selections of your fave brews. One (or two) from America, and one (or two) from somewhere other than the US. Besides rating the beer on taste, head, mouth feel etc... you'll also be asked to try to blindly identify your own selections.
    Posted by El Jefe on 09/14/04

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    • Re: Best Beer V
      The 28th it is. 7pm-9?10?11?pm. If you haven't been to one of our little beer tasting gatherings, feel free to invite yourself. It's not a large group, nor a big party, but it is a lot of fun.
      Posted by El Jefe riding a beer glass from Trabuco Canyon, Orange County on 09/18/04

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      • Re: Best Beer V
        Anybody who responds to themselves, asks themsleves questions to which they do or do not already know the answer, AND posts this all on a w/e needs to seriously GAL! Using the patented "I have my daughter for the w/e" defense is no longer valid, unless you're the HLD.
        Posted by Mtnbkbug on 09/18/04

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        • Re: Best Beer V
          I am the HLD. I do what I want, when I want.
          Posted by El Jefe a 35 year old riding a V10 and a Blur from Trabuco Canyon on 09/20/04

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  • Re: Best Beer V
    http://www.latimes.com/travel/la-tr-belgium19sep19.story
    DESTINATION: BELGIUM
    Happy hours in Brussels
    The first half-century of one visitor's life is celebrated with samples of 50 beers -- paced out over a week, mind you.
    By Tomm Carroll
    Special to The Times

    September 19, 2004

    "The things we do with beer, eh?" the waiter said as surprise registered on our faces. We had just tasted a delectable dessert: a sorbet made with three hop-brewed beverages — a wit (white) beer, a kriek (cherry) lambic and an abbey-style ale.

    We were winding up dinner at In 't Spinnekopke (In the Spiderweb) in Brussels, a traditional Belgian restaurant-tavern housed in an 18th century stagecoach inn. Within its rustic confines, chef Jean Rodriguez specializes in regional Flemish dishes and cuisine à la bière.

    The dessert followed equally impressive main courses: salmon poached in a wheat ale with essences of orange peel and coriander and baked chicken in a mushroom sauce made with a sweet cherry lambic. We also ordered two of the beers van 't vat (on tap): Blanche de Steendonck, the wit in the salmon, and Maredsous 6, an amber-colored abbey ale with a fruity tang.

    Thus I added two more to the list of mostly amazing beers I sampled this spring during a week in Belgium. As an aficionado of Belgian ales, I decided to celebrate my 50th birthday here with my sweetheart, Danise. "Fifty beers for 50 years" was my motto, and I paced the trip to hoist the 50th on the hour of my birth, after a self-guided tour of Brussels' beer bars.

    The restaurant was a block and a half from our hotel, the George V, near the Fish Market district. This unassuming 1859 townhouse has reasonably priced rooms, small and plain but with modern furnishings. Despite the backstreet location, it's only a 15-minute walk to the historic Grand-Place, the oversized town square that is the centerpiece of the city.

    On the way to Grand-Place the next morning, we came upon Le Falstaff, a 100-year-old tavern across the street from Bourse, the ornate 1873 stock exchange building. The best brews on the fairly expansive beer list were bottled, as are most Belgian beers. (They undergo a secondary fermentation in the bottle and hence improve with age, not unlike wine.) I chose the extra-strong (11% alcohol) Kasteelbier, well-aged and wonderfully bitter with a dash of Curaçao, while Danise grabbed a Grimbergen Tripel (no slouch itself at 9%), a hoppy yet pleasantly sweet abbey beer brewed from an 1128 recipe and traditionally served by the good monks to thirsty pilgrims and travelers.

    Soon we arrived at Grand-Place. Huge buildings with ornamental statues, elaborate gables and gilded facades surround the marketplace, as they have since 1700. Standing as a proud testament to how deeply rooted beer is in the tradition of this country is the Maison des Brasseurs, one of the remaining guild houses in the square. Behind its decorative edifice is the headquarters for the Belgian Brewers Union, direct descendant of the Brewers Guild, founded in the 14th century. More important to beer fans of today, however, is the Belgian Brewers Museum in the basement. We passed the statue of St. Arnoldus, the patron saint of brewers, at the entrance and descended into the "brewseum."

    The permanent exhibition explains modern brewing methods using inventive video displays, like one in the "porthole" of a huge copper boiling kettle. All around are old tankards and 18th century porcelain beer pumps.

    The self-guided tour concludes with a visit to the museum's dark but cozy cafe for a glass of a draft Pilsener. The barman declined to identify the maker of the beer, saying that various Belgian breweries take turns supplying kegs to the museum and they remain anonymous. Too bad; although not the most exciting style of beer in Belgium (in fact, Pilsener isn't even a Belgian style, but a Czech one), this light lager was dry with a crisp, clean taste and proved the most refreshing Pils I sampled.

    A two-block walk from the Grand-Place put us at a crowded corner containing perhaps the most famous icon of Brussels, indeed of Belgium itself, the Manneken Pis, a statue and fountain of a perpetually urinating youth, au naturel. It had something of a visceral effect on me (it was all that beer), so off I went to heed nature's call, ducking into the nearby Taverne Manneken Pis, a touristy cafe with replicas of the tinkling tot around the foot of the curved bar.

    Regional cheese with beer

    The beer selection was much better across the street at the Poechenellekelder (Punchinello Cellar), which was decorated with marionettes. We sat on the patio and enjoyed the early-afternoon sunshine and Fromage de Chimay, a plate of four regional cheeses. They came from the Chimay monastery, the biggest and best known of the six Trappist breweries in the country, where the justifiably revered, almost wine-like Chimay ales are brewed. Naturally, we paired the cheese with a couple of bottled Chimays — the blue-labeled Grand Réserve, with its ruby hue and port-like character, and the white-labeled Cinq Cents (named for the 500-year-old town of Chimay), a dry, hoppy, rust-colored ale — both served in a traditional glass chalice.

    Still taken with that mystery Pilsener at the museum, I ordered a draft Jupiler, Belgium's biggest-selling Pils, from the mega-brewery Interbrew, to see how it compared. Although it was not horrible, it was soft and bland, with notes of newly mown hay, definitely not the beer I had earlier. Belgium is known as beer paradise, but Jupiler — even van 't vat — more represents beer purgatory.

    Less than two blocks away, we decended into a virtual replica of Hades. It was the marvelously macabre Halloween, a dark, dungeon-like bar decorated with eerily illuminated ghouls and gargoyles. As we approached, the owner — a lupine graybeard named Skipper — beckoned us to cross his threshold.

    Each table was named for a horror movie character, so seated at Fu Manchu, we were attended to by a surly young waiter in a hooded monk's robe.

    Many of the Gothic paintings on the wall featured the Skipper. But my favorite touch was the recorded music piped through the house: ABBA hits done as Gregorian chants.

    We chose our poisons accordingly; I fell prey to a large goblet of the libation Lucifer, a strong Belgian pale ale, big-headed and sharp-tasting with a sour finish, and Danise was tempted by a Duvel (Devil), with its magnificent, meringue-like head, glimmering gold body and seductive fruitiness. Both were rated about 8% in strength and kept us giddy enough to forgive the mad monk's attitude and poke around this funhouse full of grotesqueries to the choral chants of "Wah … Ter … Loooo…. "

    After that experience, it seemed our next stop should be De Ultieme Hallucinatie (the Ultimate, or Last, Hallucination), an acclaimed eat-and-drinkery across town, as noted for its finely appointed décor as it is for its extensive beer list.

    Taking advantage of Brussels' exceptional public transportation system — a big plus when you're barhopping — we grabbed an underground tram to the Rogier stop (near another of our favorite hotels, the neon-bedecked Art Hotel Siru) and transferred to the Métro, taking it to the Botanique station. We strolled through the maze-like botanical garden with its massive greenhouse dome and ornate statues — a visually suitable prelude to our hallucinogenic destination several minutes away.

    Originally a family mansion dating to the mid-19th century and renovated in an Art Noveau style in 1904 by noted architect Paul Hamesse, De Ultieme Hallucinatie was again remodeled into a restaurant-tavern — with its elegant design restored — and opened in 1981. We dined in the brasserie area that used to be the home's garden; the jagged rock walls remain, and a part of the former greenhouse now shelters the long bar. The booth seats were originally train benches designed for Belgian Railways in 1930.

    Monastery brews

    A bit overheated from our journey, we ordered two of the more thirst-quenching brews on the menu: a Stella Artois, Belgium's well-known, reliably refreshing "premium" golden lager, and a Hoegaarden, the almost-as-famous, shimmeringly cloudy wit that has become the standard-bearer of the style.

    For solid sustenance, we again went with cuisine à la bière. I had the waterzooi, a Flemish stew made with fish and blond beer; Danise dined on a milder tasting fish entrée, sea devil in a kriek lambic sauce.

    The beer list at De Ultieme Hallucinatie featured bottles from all six Trappist monasteries, so we took that route for the next rounds. We tried an Achel, a nicely hopped Tripel (strong ale) from the youngest of Belgium's monastic breweries, and an even stronger Rochefort 8, a tawny-colored ale, both bitter and spicy with a suggestion of figs, from the least known of the monastery breweries.

    With the specific hour of my birth approaching, we Métro'd to the Gare Centrale train station and walked a few blocks to perhaps the busiest beer bistro in Brussels, À la Mort Subite (At the Sudden Death). It was a fine old cafe that appeared not to have changed since it began serving in the 1920s, with plain wood tables and high ceilings above mirrored walls on which the beer menu was stenciled. Here, it was all about the beer. The bistro also brews traditional Brussels beers such as lambic, gueze and faro under the Mort Subite moniker.

    Still entertaining a taste for Trappist ales, at about 9:30 that evening (the exact moment of my birthday, compensating for the time change), I sipped an Orval from its own dedicated glass, a wide-rimmed drinking vessel that accents its strong floral aroma and plentiful head. It was generously hopped, reminiscent of an American-style India Pale Ale in its bitterness.

    There's a legend that the spring water from which Orval is brewed possesses healing powers, so it seemed the appropriate beer to mark a half a century. Adding to the celebration, Danise persuaded an international group of beer-quaffers at a nearby table to join in with birthday toasts for me, which they did — in Danish, English, Gaelic, Greek and Spanish.

    The day was fading, and so were we. But what's a birthday without dessert — or a dessert beer? We finished off the night sharing one of Mort Subite's signature brews, a faro — a blend of young lambic (fermented less than six months) and light beer with dark candy sugar added. It was akin to oversweetened iced tea and unlike any beer I had ever tasted, but it grew on me.

    Danise and I sat back, surveyed the happy crowd and sipped our faro. Woozily, we proposed a toast to the brewers of Belgium: "The things they do with beer!"

    *
    Posted by Zardoz on 09/20/04

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    I had a Russian River Salvation brew on tap for lunch today. Amazing. Simply amazing. Dark brown in color, and a really cool, smooth mouth feel with just enough carbonation to keep it from feeling heavy. The 8.5-9% alcohol was completely hidden. There was a nice prominent fruity banana / clove yeast flavor, but not overpowering or pungent. helping round out the edges was a very thin, yet recognizable malty taste, perhaps crystal or lightly toasted malt. Sweet, but thin enough to make it feel and taste lighter than it was, and allow the very slightly hopped flavor to poke its head out and look around. I was very very impressed by this beer.

    A barbecue beef sandwich, quacamole chips and a RR Salvation. Perfect lunch.

    On my way out the door from Hollingshead's, I snagged a Stone Russian Imperial Stout, a Stone 8th anniversary brew, and a Stone Old Guardian Barley Wine (perhaps my favorite beer in the whole wide world.)
    Posted by El Jefe on 09/21/04

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    • Re: Best Beer V
      I hate you right now.
      Posted by CrzyRidr3 a 33 year old riding a SantaBansheeCruzScreamBlurr on 09/21/04

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        I hate him most of the time...so get it line... ;-)

        but if I had that lunch I'd be: a) asleep for a couple of hours after lunch and b) as fat as he is...
        Posted by Macrider a 37 year old Die-hard Enthusiast riding a Turner RFX, XCE & Trek Bruiser 2 from LA on 09/21/04

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          LMAO!!!! How's the hand, gimpy?
          Posted by El Jefe on 09/21/04

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          • Re: Best Beer V
            totally flogged fireroad on the big bike this morning - not too bad, but certainly not ready for Tunnel or anything like it..

            nice to be back on a bike, not so nice to be up at 6am again...

            I'm drinking a Stone Imperial Stout w/Dinner tonight...
            Posted by Macrider a 37 year old Die-hard Enthusiast riding a Turner RFX, XCE & Trek Bruiser 2 from LA on 09/21/04

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            • Re: Best Beer V
              I shall toast you with mine as well.
              Posted by El Jefe on 09/21/04

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              • Re: Best Beer V
                I'll be drinking a Hopf Heffe....

                MMMMMMMMMM.......beir.....
                Posted by CrzyRidr3 a 33 year old riding a SantaBansheeCruzScreamBlurr on 09/21/04

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                • Re: Best Beer V
                  If you're trying to spell beer the german way, it's spelled b-i-e-r.

                  FYI-The "ie" sound in german is similar to our "ee" sound, and "ei" sounds more like "i." Das ist alles.
                  Posted by El Jefe on 09/22/04

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                    It's okay: if the German can't understand English, just talk LOUDER.


                    "Beer" is a pretty universal word, though.
                    Posted by EBasil riding a Manitou HT from San Diego on 09/22/04

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                  • Re: Best Beer V
                    Looks better spelled my way...

                    ; )
                    Posted by CrzyRidr3 a 33 year old riding a SantaBansheeCruzScreamBlurr on 09/22/04

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    Nude Beer?

    Remember the "old" version, with the scratch-off labels? Well, the new version (no relation, I think) uses peeeel off covers and actually won a few awards for the brew inside the bottle.

    http://www.drinknudebeer.com/home/index.html

    Posted by EBasil riding a sticky Manitou HT from San Diego on 09/22/04

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    My penis is purple and bruised, and shall not be used for any other purpose than peeing for the next 3 days, I shall spend the evening drinking various Belgian brews.
    Posted by El Jefe on 10/01/04

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  • Re: Best Beer V
    I need to go to Fathers Office sometime this week. That is all.
    Posted by Endo Verendo riding a burger and a Craftsman brew craving on 10/05/04

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      I know I'm just talking to myself here, but the FO fix was taken care of last night. Thanks JimN.

      BTW, we had the first good pour of Craftsman Triple White Sage in a long time. Tasted like the old TWS I used to love and not the skank beer I got the last two times I ordered it.

      That is all.
      Posted by Endo Verendo riding a Pushed 4-Spot from The Valley on 10/08/04

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    I'm headed with part of the 310 Cartel, and another member of the OC Contingent to SLO this weekend. Bring on Spike's!!!
    Posted by El Jefe on 10/08/04

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    Spike's in SLO rules for off-beat but tasty beer selections. That is all
    Posted by El Jefe on 10/11/04

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    • Re: Best Beer V
      Let it be known, ZG had crappy beer at his wedding....still, Mazltov!!!!! (or something like that)
      Posted by El Jefe on 10/17/04

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      • Re: Best Beer V
        Who needs beer (or rain gear...or ravioli) when the bar staff is pouring pints of champagne!?! *hic*

        BTW, we were at the Ojai Brewing Co. today....."El Jefe's Hefewizen" was on tap. :-)
        Posted by Endo Verendo riding a Pushed 4-Spot from The Valley on 10/17/04

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      • Re: Best Beer V
        Rolling Rock sucks. Even worse in the rain.

        But still...the glow sticks in the middle of dinner were interesting...??!

        I got home and drank a Dead Guy Ale. That made me happy.

        At least the ceremony was dry...
        Posted by CrzyRidr3 a 33 year old riding a SantaBansheeCruzScreamBlurr on 10/18/04

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  • Re: Best Beer V
    mmmmm. beer me.
    Posted by El Santo riding a Bullit on 10/17/04

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    • Re: Best Beer V
      Well, well, well...

      Celebrator Doppelbock on tap, and Rochefort 10 by the bottle -- they got my 2 favorite imports. Sounds like a good place to hang out (except for that "no Singletrack" rule in nearby Marin...)

      Posted by VLander on 10/18/04

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        Marin is soooo 1975. There's an absurd amount of singletrack south of the city. Some of it is really, really good.

        too fun to be legal

        BTB
        Posted by El Santo riding a Bullit on 10/18/04

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        • Re: Best Beer V
          I rode ECDM OSP about 10 yrs back, and had a blast. Is that Porche still there? (And the trail named after it??) That is good stuff, but you can't ride to there from 547 Haight, whereas you could ride across the GG to the Marin fireroads from 547 Haight...

          On second thought, you could ride to 547 Haight AFTER the Marin fireroads (prob not a good idea the other direction, post suds!!)
          Posted by VLander on 10/18/04

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  • Re: Best Beer V
    This thread is now officially ENDANGERED.

    Oh yeah, and I show up a Leucadia Pizzeria with my clan, order a Stone IPA and the waitress says, " Uh, you haven't been in for a while. We stopped carrying it." She said this right in front of my family, so I had to ask if she was sure this was my fault. She replied,"You're the one that ordered pitchers of it. You and those guys were the ones buying all the IPA!"

    I have failed ye, brethren.

    Posted by EBasil riding a Manitou HT from San Diego on 10/18/04

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      OK, to keep this thread alive, I will kow-tow to the almighty Steve and mention something bike related.

      Last week I got together with Inkpad and Lady Dirt. They had a pale ale of some sort and I had a Guinness. Inkpad talked about how Inkpad rode my V10 and how smooth and fast it is down Rockit.

      I've cut down my beer consumption considerably in the past couple weeks...ok, past couple days...ok, yesterday I didn't have any beer. But tonight I believe I shall have either a Delirium Tremens, or a Stone Barley Wine. That is all.
      Posted by El Jefe on 10/18/04

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      • Re: Best Beer V
        MMMMMMMMMMMMMM.....

        V10 and Delirium....


        I still have to try Rockit...

        When I do, I will have a Delirium with you after I clean my cuts and ice my bruises. Well, maybe at the same time..

        ; )
        Posted by CrzyRidr3 a 33 year old riding a SantaBansheeCruzScreamBlurr on 10/18/04

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  • Re: Best Beer V
    Big Beer. Big Wood.



    Here it is, men. The very limited, AB-"Oaked" run.

    The press release, good readin, is here: http://www.arrogantbastard.com/doublebastard/2004/oakedpr.html
    Posted by EBasil riding a Manitou HT or a Fisher Cake from San Diego on 10/18/04

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  • Re: Best Beer V
    And...something to distract The Worthy from the more-limited Oaked AB, the 2004 DB:



    With the press release here: http://www.arrogantbastard.com/doublebastard/2004/doublepr.html

    Oh, and that's 500.
    Posted by EBasil riding a Manitou HT or a Fisher Cake from San Diego on 10/18/04

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  • Re: Best Beer V
    Double Bastard!!! Excellent batch this year, I must say.
    Posted by El Jefe a 35 year old on 11/15/04

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      Ok....so I tried it again...

      I like it....I like it alot.

      A couple friends and I finished one of the Double Bastard magnums on Saturday night.....WOW!!! A bit too much Double Bastard can really screw up your evening...

      ; )

      Also, Bevmo has magnums of Oaked Arrogant Bastard.....

      mmmmmmmmmmm!!!!!!!
      Posted by CrzyRidr3 a 33 year old on 11/15/04

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      • Re: Best Beer V
        yeah, my beer & wine guy at my local Bristol Farms was like "HEY! the Double Bastard is in if you want it..."

        and I did - so I got some and drank it

        and it was good!

        I also bought Unibroue's "La Terrible" for the first time yesterday - drank it last night - my new favorite from Unibroue - great flavor, strong abbey ale - delicious with Indian food!
        Posted by Macrider a 38 year old on 11/15/04

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      • Re: Best Beer V
        I saw the magnums of oaked AB and DB, but I wasn't sure about the taste. You personally tried the oaked DB and liked it? My place down here has the 3 liter magnum for $59.99. Anyone want to help me polish one off soon?
        Posted by El Jefe a 35 year old on 11/16/04

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    I was channel surfing just a few minutes ago and caught the tail end of a Cox cable access show where they did a full tour and history of Stone Brewery / Stone Brews. It was great. Now I need Stone. That is all.
    Posted by El Jefe a 35 year old on 11/16/04

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    I had a McTarnahan's Tripel last night. Cloudy orange, with a foamy head. The head dies quickly though, and the carbonation starts a little harsh. Luckily the carbonation dissipates quickly and settles into a more smooth mouth feel after sitting for a few minutes.

    Very sweet and fruity right up front, with a nice spicy nose. Pretty balanced up front, but the taste didn't linger long, and was somewhat overpowered by the alcohol taste. I guess that's to be expected with a 9.3% alcohol brew. Overall, it was a very pleasant beer. I'll probably snag a few more to stash in the cupboard.
    Posted by El Jefe a 35 year old on 11/18/04

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    Went to Gordon Biersch tonight and thought I'd end up with the usual Marzen but tried the new Winterbock. Very nice, sweet and strong with a somewhat overly foamy head and served in it's own Winterbock mug. I had two. Ran into JimN and talked bikes. Beer and bike talk... nice.
    Posted by Endo Verendo on 12/03/04

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    Words can't describe the indivudually numbered, 8.5 oz bottle of liquid lust that is Thomas Hardy's Ale. If there is a heaven, it will serve Thomas Hardy's. I'll have to go buy more to give a full description. At $6 for a single bottle, or $22 for a 4-pack of the 8.5oz bottles, this is a bargain. No really, it is. Simply amazing.
    Posted by El Jefe a 35 year old on 12/13/04

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    • Re: Best Beer V
      Where can I find this gem..??!!

      I've heard great things, but I've not seen it anywhere.....
      Posted by CrzyRidr3 a 33 year old on 12/13/04

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        Hollingshead's Deli. If you want, I'll pick up a 4 pack and we'll split it. I'd say we'll toss a couple back, but to just slug these beers down would be disrepectful to the brew.
        Posted by El Jefe a 35 year old on 12/13/04

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        • Re: Best Beer V
          Can we drink it with Tequila??!?!?

          ; )
          Posted by CrzyRidr3 a 33 year old on 12/13/04

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          • Re: Best Beer V
            I wouldn't use it as a mixer or chaser, but I don't see why we couldn't have a couple tasty sipping shots as well.
            Posted by El Jefe a 35 year old on 12/13/04

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            • Re: Best Beer V
              Have you tried Agavero? It's a mixture of Anejo tequila, Reposado tequila and damiano. Ugly round bottle....looks like a bowling ball with a neck..

              The best tequila liqueur I've ever tasted. Hard to find here in the US, but every once in a while Bevmo will have them at the bottom of a shelf.

              Good stuff. No need for a chaser. Very sweet considering it's tequila...
              Posted by CrzyRidr3 a 33 year old on 12/13/04

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  • Re: Best Beer V
    Sign the petion at:

    http://www.beerdrinkersagainstthemistreatmentofbeer.com/index.php
    Posted by Smithereen on 12/22/04

    Save Cold Beer

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    After having it on tap a couple weeks ago, I knew the brew of choice to start Christmas Eve off right would be a Widmer Snow Plow Milk Stout. Simply the best stout I've ever tasted.
    Posted by El Jefe a 35 year old on 12/24/04

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    • Re: Best Beer V

      Merry Christmas!

      Now, where'd you have it on tap? Seen it in bottles?

      Posted by EBasil from the ranch in Chatsworth for Christmas on 12/24/04

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      • Re: Best Beer V
        The store where I get most of my beer has it in bottles, as does Hollingshead's Deli in Orange. Hollingshead's is where I had it on tap. I shared the sixer and only had one....I sure hope the beer store is open tomorrow! :-)

        Merry Christmas and a Happy brew year! (god that was corny...sorry.) :-)
        Posted by El Jefe a 35 year old on 12/24/04

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        • Re: Best Beer V
          I will be drinking Whitches Brewery's Hobgoblin Ale this evening. If you haven't already, try it!!!!
          Posted by CrzyRidr3 a 33 year old on 02/04/05

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          • Re: Best Beer V
            i thought this thread had died.
            Posted by Endo Verendo on 02/05/05

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            • Re: Best Beer V
              After seeing 3/5's see-saw yee-haw dirt nap pic I thought HE had died.
              Better luck next time... ;)
              Posted by Big Bad Ben a 36 year old on 02/05/05

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              • Re: Best Beer V
                Dude, that clip is so old. Your contributions here are speeding up this site's death.
                Posted by Endo Verendo on 02/06/05

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            • Re: Best Beer V
              This place blows...just click here if you need proof. I'm almost sorry I had a hand in it's sanitization, but that's what the masses wanted. Be careful for what you wish for, you will get it.
              Posted by GhostRider a 31 year old on 02/06/05

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  • Re: Best Beer V

    I had an old favorite for the first time in a few years: Spaten's Optimator. This is Spaten's version of Paulaner's Celebrator and keeps the -ator tradition going. Strong beer before the current trend and perfectly balanced, even to a hop-fiend.

    Posted by EBasil from Coors Lite Country on 02/07/05

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  • Re: Best Beer V
    The good Doc Santo introduced me to Bison Chocolate Stout after our ride on Friday. Brewed in Berkeley. Good stuff, not much of a stout drinker but this was great.
    Posted by The REEL Moneyshot on 02/07/05

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    • Re: Best Beer V
      Please find any remaining bottles of Stone's Russian Imperial Stout, drink and report back to us...
      Posted by Macrider a 38 year old on 02/07/05

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    • Re: Best Beer V
      I have one of Wild Bill's choco stouts (Bison is owned by Bill Moore) and another from Sam Adams that was brewed and bottled in their test brewery near Boston (almost everything else is contract brewed for their label). I gotta find the time and food to drink them together with. Good to hear the positive review of the Bison.
      Posted by EBasil on 02/08/05

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  • Re: Best Beer V
    I'm stuck in a beer rut of Chimay, Arrogant Bastard, Maudite, Hop Ottin and Stone IPA.
    I don't need to get out of the rut, I'm quite happy here...(is it bad to look upon beers of less than 7.0% with distain?)
    Posted by Black Bart on 02/07/05

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  • Re: Best Beer V
    You guys been drinking Abita? I just got back from several days in New Orleans, where Abita is readily available in all forms, instead of just the rare case or two at BevMo. The Amber is heavy enough that it takes quite a toll when consumed in quantity, but it's clean and just hoppy enough to work out for the long haul. Found on tap in dive bars throughout the Marigny...
    Posted by EBasil from a fat farm on 02/15/05

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    • Re: Best Beer V
      I thought this thread was dead....if not, it should be shot.
      Posted by GhostRider a 31 year old on 02/15/05

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    • Re: Best Beer V
      Haven't tried that one..

      But I did go to Trader Joe's to buy a 4-pack of some Lithuanian beer that I can't remember the name...

      Pretty skunky actually...

      I'll stick to the Hopf, Stone and Chimay.......with a little Del Dueno in between.. :-)
      Posted by CrzyRidr3 a 33 year old on 02/15/05

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      • Re: Best Beer V
        TJ's probably left the stuff sitting in the sun on the loading dock...
        Posted by EBasil on 02/16/05

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        • Re: Best Rear V
          this thread needs something...



          Posted by Dirtshark on 02/16/05

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          • Re: Best Rear V
            Nice ass, Pilot.
            Posted by Big Bad Ben a 36 year old on 02/16/05

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            • Re: Best Rear V
              Oh, that really hurts...

              As I've said before, my ass would drop you like a hot deuce, if you even had the balls... So get over it already.
              And please stop fantasizing about me, your making me sick.
              Posted by Pilot a 32 year old on 02/16/05

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            • Re: Best Rear V
              Ive seen Pilot's a$$ and its as good as a man-a$$ gets but it doesn't hold a candle to this one. BBB, you need to put up or STFU! Get off your computer and go ride........your Mtn bike.
              Posted by Dirtshark on 02/16/05

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        • Re: Best Beer V
          TJ's Vienna Lager is pretty darn good.
          Posted by Endo Verendo riding a FluxXx on 02/16/05

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          • Re: Best Beer V
            TJ's Bohemian Heffeweizen is awesome. Tastes as close to Hopf (the real thing baby.. :) as I've been able to find...

            Will be drinking a couple this evening..
            Posted by CrzyRidr3 a 33 year old on 02/25/05

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            • Re: Best Beer V
              Cool. Now, where the hell am I drinking tonight?? BTW, the TJ's beers are brewed by Gordon Biersch.
              Posted by Endo Verendo on 02/25/05

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              • Re: Best Beer V
                Yup....buddy of mine just told me the same thing like 3 minutes ago... :-)
                Posted by CrzyRidr3 a 33 year old on 02/25/05

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  • Re: Best Beer V
    Whats the best beer to move on to if you are coming off of a 2 year Guinness kick?
    Paz Afuera
    Posted by Papisimo on 02/17/05

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  • Re: Best Beer V
    "brewed for a “crisp taste with no aftertaste.” WTF is a beer with no aftertaste?




    Posted by Endo Verendo on 03/03/05

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    • Re: Best Beer V
      Fermented water....?

      :)


      I have to go to TJ's at lunch.....I think I'll try one of the other TJ's beer that I haven't tried yet...

      Hmmmmmmmm......what beer to drink this evening...


      Suggestions?
      Posted by CrzyRidr3 a 33 year old on 03/04/05

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      • Re: Best Beer V
        So far I like the Vienna Lager the best out of all of them. They just got in a couple new offerings from Northwest's Best. I tried the St. Helens Stout last night. It was very drinkable.
        Posted by Endo Verendo on 03/04/05

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        • Re: Best Beer V
          I'm gonna try the Vienna if it's there..

          Otherwise, I'll try something completely different tonight...

          Don't know what....but something different.. :)
          Posted by CrzyRidr3 a 33 year old on 03/04/05

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        • Re: Best Beer V
          Have you tried Mirror Pond Pale Ale? Bevmo has 12'ers for 12 bucks....very good Pale....
          Posted by CrzyRidr3 a 33 year old riding a SantaBansheeCruzScreamBlurr on 03/15/05

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          • Re: Best Beer V

            Check the bottle. Who brews it?

            Posted by EBasil riding a trolley to Alpine Village from San Diego on 03/15/05

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            • Re: Best Beer V
              DeChuttes Brewery...Oregon...
              Posted by CrzyRidr3 a 33 year old riding a SantaBansheeCruzScreamBlurr on 03/15/05

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              • Re: Best Beer V
                Best Beer Thread to the rescue, once again. Thanks, bud!

                12 for 12 and from Deschutes... I got one for tonight's beer and bike building festival!
                Posted by EBasil riding a Manitou HT or a Fisher Cake from San Diego on 03/18/05

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                • Re: Best Beer V
                  NICE!!!

                  Glad I could help!

                  :)
                  Posted by CrzyRidr3 a 33 year old riding a SantaBansheeCruzScreamBlurr on 03/18/05

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                  • Re: Best Beer V
                    Your unbridled and unparalled nutswinging knows no bounds....you are, by far, the BIGgest ho this site has seen since...well...ever!
                    I just hope you use protection.........
                    Posted by GhostRider a 31 year old Downhiller on 03/18/05

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                    • Re: Best Beer V
                      So, being nice counts as nut-swinging? Cool!!! I'm on that action..!


                      Your jealousy is obvious. Don't cancel your plans to meet Ben at the Cat & The Fiddle this evening just so you can 'swing' with me...
                      Posted by CrzyRidr3 a 33 year old riding a SantaBansheeCruzScreamBlurr on 03/18/05

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                    • Re: Best Beer V
                      Sorry to disappoint, CR3, but I have a whole lot of bangin to do. First my drums and my girl, then a shot or two of "Your Favorite" 1800. I also have some new side plastics to install on The XR. Take care of that hand in the meantime, brah.
                      Posted by Big Bad Ben a 36 year old Weekend Warrior riding a Raleigh & The XR250R from Hollywood on 03/18/05

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    • Re: Best Beer V

      No aftertaste? The beer for drinkers that can't even handle fizzy yellow peewater beer.

      Does it come in fruit flavors? I bet it will...
      Posted by EBasil riding a Keg out the bomb bay doors from San Diego on 03/15/05

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  • Re: Best Beer V
    Fruity beer? Yup, I've had a few of them recently. The girlfriend isn't a big beer fan typically, so I've tried to introduce her to a few Lambics and fruit beers. Frambois and Lost Coast Rasberry are her faves, and I must say I don't mind splitting the bottle with her....of course, I supplement with a McTarnahan's Tripel or a Stone Old Guardian, but the fruity stuff isn't so bad.
    Posted by El Jefe a 35 year old riding a V10, Blur Roadster and a CR125 from Trabuco Canyon on 03/22/05

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  • Re: Best Beer V
    Just did a little adventure to Pizza Port in Solana Beach. I sampled one of thier Belgians but opted for their Sharkbitten Double Red Ale. It's remeniscent of A.B. in strength and hops but lacks the sweeter tones. My g.f. had thier Hefe which I have to admit was awesome. It was more like a Belgian White than a German style Hefe, thick and sweet. Yeah, I just said 'thick and sweet.'
    Posted by Endo Verendo a 37 year old riding a Turner Flux from The Valley on 03/22/05

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  • Re: Best Beer V
    Very sad thread over HERE.
    Posted by Endo Verendo a 37 year old riding a Turner Flux from The Valley on 03/25/05

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    • Re: Best Beer V
      Sad thread, funny post:


      You can't cry over spilled milk but spilled beer is an entirely different matter.
      __________________
      Before enlightenment; chop wood carry water. After enlightenment; chop wood, carry water.
      Posted by Big Bad Ben a 36 year old Weekend Warrior riding a Raleigh & The XR250R from Hollywood on 03/25/05

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      • Re: Best Beer V
        Wow, your first reply that doesn't make you sound like an idiot. I like it. Congrats!
        Posted by Endo Verendo a 37 year old riding a Turner Flux from The Valley on 03/25/05

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        • Re: Best Beer V
          Statistically speaking, it had to happen sooner or later.
          Posted by Big Bad Ben a 36 year old Weekend Warrior riding a Raleigh & The XR250R from Hollywood on 03/25/05

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        • Re: Best Beer V
          Should we let him join..??



          ; )
          Posted by CrzyRidr3 a 33 year old riding a SantaBansheeCruzScreamBlurr on 03/26/05

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          • Re: Best Beer V
            I heard Michael Shiavo has a new album out....and he'll be appearing this week on MTV's "Unplugged"...........

            Posted by GhostRider a 31 year old Downhiller on 03/26/05

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            • Re: Best Beer V
              Classic!
              Posted by Big Bad Ben a 36 year old Weekend Warrior riding a Raleigh & The XR250R from Hollywood on 03/26/05

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          • Re: Best Beer V
            Nah, he and Ghostrider have their own clique.
            Posted by Endo Verendo a 37 year old riding a Turner Flux from The Valley on 03/26/05

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            • Re: Best Beer V
              You're just jealous. And, your fav color is GREEN....goes w/ENVY!
              You can become a Bennette - we're have tons of openings.........
              Posted by GhostRider a 31 year old Downhiller on 03/26/05

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              • Re: Best Beer V
                I could make a smartass remark about all of your openings. Instead I can only say that I enjoyed a Stone Old Guardian last night.


                Posted by Endo Verendo a 37 year old riding a Turner Flux from The Valley on 03/26/05

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                • Re: Best Beer V
                  Nice..

                  I was drinking Stone Levitation and Coralejo Anejo...
                  Posted by CrzyRidr3 a 33 year old riding a SantaBansheeCruzScreamBlurr on 03/28/05

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                  • Re: Best Beer V
                    Nice.


                    Posted by El Jefe a 35 year old riding a V10, Blur Roadster and a CR125 from Trabuco Canyon on 03/28/05

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                    • Re: Best Beer V
                      When drinking Levitation, the Coralejo is like heroin....they mix perfectly together.

                      Now, if I could find myself a magnum of Levitation and a 3,200ml bottle of Coralejo, I'd be perfectly happy for the rest of my...well...maybe a week..

                      ; )
                      Posted by CrzyRidr3 a 33 year old riding a SantaBansheeCruzScreamBlurr on 03/28/05

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            • Re: Best Beer V
              Be careful about using words like "openings" around here.
              Posted by Big Bad Ben a 36 year old Weekend Warrior riding a Raleigh & The XR250R from Hollywood on 03/28/05

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  • Re: Best Beer V
    Ok, the Craftsman beer brewed with Cabernet grapes that's on tap at Father's Office....pass.
    Posted by Endo Verendo a 37 year old riding a Turner Flux from The Valley on 04/03/05

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    • Re: Best Beer V
      eeewww...

      Sounds nasty....


      I'm still liking the TJ's Vienna Lager. Gotta love a sixer for 5 bucks...
      Posted by CrzyRidr3 a 33 year old riding a SantaBansheeCruzScreamBlurr on 04/06/05

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  • Re: Best Beer V

    Check it out. For those of you in Santa Monica, sells at Kings Liquor on Santa Monica and Berkeley.
    Posted by 2W4S riding a Bullit, DHR on 04/07/05

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  • Re: Best Beer V
    My beloved bar, Kellly McCue's burned to the ground Friday morning. I guess I'll be drinking a lot less for a while.
    Posted by El Jefe a 35 year old riding a V10, Blur Roadster and a CR125 from Trabuco Canyon on 04/11/05

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  • Re: Record Thread Best Beer V
    This thread is over a year old and still going strong.
    This is post #648, could this be a record?
    Posted by DIRTJUNKIE a 43 year old Die-hard Enthusiast riding a Intense Uzzi-SL from Rancho Bernardo on 04/14/05